The Atomic Ski Boot Thread

[mntlion]

Which Hawx XTD? Ultra XTD or Prime XTD? This is important to know.

Only stretch the shell if you don't have space between your ankle and the plastic (no liner in the shell).

Heat mold the liner. It's meant to be heat molded for your ankle structure. You will not "break in" the Mimic material over time. Foam yes, but not Mimic. It is purposefully intended for you to have it molded to your anatomy.

thanks. was hoping you had some atomic info on this

[ezramec]

@OneNerdyKid: Ultra XTD on both.

Will take out the liner and see if I have space.

And then will try the liner. Assume the "how to mold in your oven" for Mimic is somewhere in this thread? Did it with the 3D Gold a few years ago, no problems. Have a really stable convection oven I can use that's extremely true to temperature.

[onenerdykid]

@OneNerdyKid: Ultra XTD on both.

Will take out the liner and see if I have space.

And then will try the liner. Assume the "how to mold in your oven" for Mimic is somewhere in this thread? Did it with the 3D Gold a few years ago, no problems. Have a really stable convection oven I can use that's extremely true to temperature.

The Ultra liner is less firm/more pliable than the Prime liner. The assessment in the shell is best done by someone who knows what they are looking for (there are more steps than you think) and if you try to mold the Mimic liner in your oven at home, you'll most likely ruin something. Mimic tech is quite different than anything else out there in the liner world, and with that comes specific processes and tools so it doesn't get ruined. If you can take the boots back to your fitter, it will really work out better for you.

[SnowMachine]

Dude, bring your boots to a fitter and mold. I couldn't ski my Ultra's with the liner out of the box. They're way to tight everywhere.

My XTD's had to be punched at one ankle bone (medial malleolus) where I have screws in my ankle. Those boots are pretty low volume there.

[mjr9999]

2023 Hawx Ultra S = 2024 Hawx Ultra RS ?

Can someone kindly confirm that the 2023 Hawx Ultra S is the same boot as the 2024 Hawx Ultra RS? I believe I read that the 2024 Hawx Ultra S has a softer cuff than the RS but that the 2023 Ultra S is the same as the 2024 Ultra RS.

Photo of 2023 Ultra S

[whambat]

Looking for some advice on some lightly used Hawk ultra 120s that I can pick up cheap. I’m currently using some Lange RS WC 140s I picked up this year and got dialed after about a month of work. I’m really looking for a work boot to use while mostly teaching intermediates as the RS WCs are too much boot to slow ski intermediates all day. I also coach freeride groms, and the Langes are fine for that. I just part time instruct, so I don’t want to fork over much for a teaching only boot. They fit great, but felt pretty soft. How much does the boot stiffen if you add a second rivet / bolt? I just don’t want to blow my Achilles out over flexing them as I’m 210lbs. Thoughts?

[onenerdykid]

2023 Hawx Ultra S = 2024 Hawx Ultra RS ?

Can someone kindly confirm that the 2023 Hawx Ultra S is the same boot as the 2024 Hawx Ultra RS? I believe I read that the 2024 Hawx Ultra S has a softer cuff than the RS but that the 2023 Ultra S is the same as the 2024 Ultra RS.

Photo of 2023 Ultra S

The 2023 Hawx Ultra S uses the same shell and cuff as the 2024 Hawx Ultra RS. They are not the "same" boots due to differences in power strap (2024 has a new Professional strap).

[onenerdykid]

Looking for some advice on some lightly used Hawk ultra 120s that I can pick up cheap. I’m currently using some Lange RS WC 140s I picked up this year and got dialed after about a month of work. I’m really looking for a work boot to use while mostly teaching intermediates as the RS WCs are too much boot to slow ski intermediates all day. I also coach freeride groms, and the Langes are fine for that. I just part time instruct, so I don’t want to fork over much for a teaching only boot. They fit great, but felt pretty soft. How much does the boot stiffen if you add a second rivet / bolt? I just don’t want to blow my Achilles out over flexing them as I’m 210lbs. Thoughts?

That's not enough boot for someone at 210lbs. Adding the top screw increases responsiveness and directness - it does nothing to stiffen the lower shell.

[whambat]

That's not enough boot for someone at 210lbs. Adding the top screw increases responsiveness and directness - it does nothing to stiffen the lower shell.

Thanks for the quick and honest response.

[mjr9999]

The 2023 Hawx Ultra S uses the same shell and cuff as the 2024 Hawx Ultra RS. They are not the "same" boots due to differences in power strap (2024 has a new Professional strap).

Thanks very much for the reply. Is the Mimic Liner different in the 2024 model in that it you can adjust the tongue with velcro at the attachment point to alter the instep pressure or easily upgrade the tongue to a V3 model?

I noticed that the strap's cam buckle was changed in 2025. Is the performance/fit of the professional strap the same from 2024 to 2025 with just a different buckle system?

I was about to pull the trigger on some clearance 2023 Hawx Ultras but might opt for the 2024 which are slightly more $ to get a better strap and if the tongue is adjustable and easily swappable.

[onenerdykid]

Thanks very much for the reply. Is the Mimic Liner different in the 2024 model in that it you can adjust the tongue with velcro at the attachment point to alter the instep pressure or easily upgrade the tongue to a V3 model?

I noticed that the strap's cam buckle was changed in 2025. Is the performance/fit of the professional strap the same from 2024 to 2025 with just a different buckle system?

I was about to pull the trigger on some clearance 2023 Hawx Ultras but might opt for the 2024 which are slightly more $ to get a better strap and if the tongue is adjustable and easily swappable.

The 2023 version has the AFS velcro-adjustable tongue fixation. 2024 has the same liner construction, no technical/fit change.

[PeachesNCream]

Is there a real significant difference between the hawx xtd and non-xtd. I’m 205 lbs, aggressive skier and currently have the 21/22 xtd as a do it all boot. I feel like I’m flexing through the boot at times and not getting the support. Of course a resort boot is going to be more substantial. But is that generation going to make a big enough difference? I’m tempted to get the non-xtd. It’s cheap, I know it fits, and has the same bsl so I can swap between skis without adjusting bindings. This thinking check out?


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[carlh]

6’3” 205 with both xtd and alpine ultra 130s. My xtds are 1st year grilamid and my ultras are 2021s so should be the same as the current rs. The alpine boots are stiffer but not stiff enough imo. I am looking at replacing my alpine ones with remedy’s or similar and wish I had bought redster cs in the first place.

Is there a real significant difference between the hawx xtd and non-xtd. I’m 205 lbs, aggressive skier and currently have the 21/22 xtd as a do it all boot. I feel like I’m flexing through the boot at times and not getting the support. Of course a resort boot is going to be more substantial. But is that generation going to make a big enough difference? I’m tempted to get the non-xtd. It’s cheap, I know it fits, and has the same bsl so I can swap between skis without adjusting bindings. This thinking check out?


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[onenerdykid]

Is there a real significant difference between the hawx xtd and non-xtd. I’m 205 lbs, aggressive skier and currently have the 21/22 xtd as a do it all boot. I feel like I’m flexing through the boot at times and not getting the support. Of course a resort boot is going to be more substantial. But is that generation going to make a big enough difference? I’m tempted to get the non-xtd. It’s cheap, I know it fits, and has the same bsl so I can swap between skis without adjusting bindings. This thinking check out?


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Which Hawx XTD do you have? Prime & Prime XTD have the same BSL but not Ultra & Ultra XTD (latter is 2mm longer due to the tech insert).

non-XTD is a noticeably more substantial boot, but it still might not be enough for you.

For 25/26, we will have a new boot called the Remedy 130 and whole new line up of Redster boots (more on that in early February). If larger and/or stronger skiers are looking for more boot than what Hawx can offer, this will undoubtedly be the way to go.

[PeachesNCream]

6’3” 205 with both xtd and alpine ultra 130s. My xtds are 1st year grilamid and my ultras are 2021s so should be the same as the current rs. The alpine boots are stiffer but not stiff enough imo. I am looking at replacing my alpine ones with remedy’s or similar and wish I had bought redster cs in the first place.

Which Hawx XTD do you have? Prime & Prime XTD have the same BSL but not Ultra & Ultra XTD (latter is 2mm longer due to the tech insert).

non-XTD is a noticeably more substantial boot, but it still might not be enough for you.

For 25/26, we will have a new boot called the Remedy 130 and whole new line up of Redster boots (more on that in early February). If larger and/or stronger skiers are looking for more boot than what Hawx can offer, this will undoubtedly be the way to go.

It’s the ultra, so looks like my idea won’t work, and sounds like it might not be quite the right boot anyways. I don’t live near a bootfitter and the xtd fits me great so was hoping that’d work out but I’ll sit tight for now

Thanks for the responses.


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[ZomblibulaX]

Yo ONK:

Figured I'd ask here since the gear rumors thread is pretty cunted up at this point: what's the BSL and forward lean on the Remedy? Any adjustment on the latter?

[onenerdykid]

Yo ONK:

Figured I'd ask here since the gear rumors thread is pretty cunted up at this point: what's the BSL and forward lean on the Remedy? Any adjustment on the latter?

lol

26.5 = 304mm +/-10mm every shell size
Forward lean comes out of the box at 16° and can go to 18°, and can add liner spoiler (which the boot comes with).

[ZomblibulaX]

lol

26.5 = 304mm +/-10mm every shell size
Forward lean comes out of the box at 16° and can go to 18°, and can add liner spoiler (which the boot comes with).

Damn you and your butter boot. I guess I am moving back to Atomic.

Thanks again, Matt, for consistently taking the time to answer questions here and get in to details that most sales reps never bother to find out. Greatly appreciated.

[arild]

Sweet. Is the liner much like the CS's?

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[bennettc14]

Maybe Raptor replacement? White shells turn to piss (butter) color eventually!


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[whambat]

Which Hawx XTD do you have? Prime & Prime XTD have the same BSL but not Ultra & Ultra XTD (latter is 2mm longer due to the tech insert).

non-XTD is a noticeably more substantial boot, but it still might not be enough for you.

For 25/26, we will have a new boot called the Remedy 130 and whole new line up of Redster boots (more on that in early February). If larger and/or stronger skiers are looking for more boot than what Hawx can offer, this will undoubtedly be the way to go.

Remedy 130 have tech fittings on the toes? I know it’s a niche market, but I’d love to have a riveted resort boot with tech toes and the Atomic fit without having to drop $200 for a Cast conversion. And, I know I asked you for that like 5-6 years ago, but I’ve been holding out hope.

[SkiLyft]

No tech fittings for the remedy

[SnowMachine]

No tech fittings for the remedy

This is a sexy sounding boot!!

I love the Ultra RS for a resort boot, but I'm 6' 160lbs wet. The flex is more stout than the Ultra XTD (especially once the XTD had 50+ days), but nothing like a race boot. You 200+ lb dudes should try Redsters if you can get your feet into them. If you aren't driving the boot that hard, the RS is a significant upgrade for inbounds over the XTD (which I love, but with limitations).

[SkiLyft]

Agreed I’m in an Ultra Pro. Needed a medial mal punch but still flex through it a few times a year and the boot is only [emoji638] years old.

Eager to step into the Remedy.

@ONK how’s the throat on the remedy? Same as the Ultra Pro? More room to make that bend? Comparisons otherwise to the Ultra Pro?


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[onenerdykid]

@ONK how’s the throat on the remedy? Same as the Ultra Pro? More room to make that bend? Comparisons otherwise to the Ultra Pro?


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Throat is more open on a Remedy, like a current CS. You're better off drawing comparisons from the CS rather than Ultra.