What paper thin touring hoody?

[eSock]

I rock the Trew Pack Jack for super light wind/water protection, packs super small into fanny pack if you want

https://trewgear.com/products/pack-jack

[grrrmountainman]

For 90% of the uptrack I wear an Arc’teryx Phasic Sun hoody day in and day out. (I see it’s been renamed the Regime) . Depending on temps I either wear a long sleeve or short sleeved base layer. If it’s windy AF and cold, I’ll put on the Incendo.

Shell for the descent.

It’s stretchy so the sleeves are easy to push up and the hood stays in the sort of “half way” position well for some sun/wind protection without cooking.

[AKbruin]

I'm not criticizing or anything, but it's always interesting to see other people's approach. For anything above 25-degrees Fahrenheit on the ski track or bootpack, I'm basically good with either (a) just my base layer (light merino or capilene-like material) or (b) my base layer + my very lightweight softshell (OR Ferrosi). I have yet to reach a point where (a) is too cold but (b) is too hot. YMMV.

That said, for trail running, something a little softer and more packable than the Ferrosi could be nice.

[PNWbrit]

Yep.

Surprised people use the Houdini for ski touring. I'd have thought it would get shredded by pack straps, shouldering skis etc.

Mine is summer use and in MTB pack only.

[davjr96]

I have an OR Ferrossi and Arcteryx Squamish I flop between. The OR is much heavier, the squamish is the arc version of the houdini. It packs down to nothing. I like them both. The new Arcteryx Gamma SL felt pretty nice in the store and might be worth a look. Not cheap though.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Yep.

Surprised people use the Houdini for ski touring. I'd have thought it would get shredded by pack straps, shouldering skis etc.

Mine is summer use and in MTB pack only.

I wore my old Houdini hundreds of times running and skiing before I caught it on a branch bushwacking and ripped it wide open. Stopped at the Patagonia store on the way he and they gave me a new one.




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[AKbruin]

Slight thread-drift: Is there a better/cheaper option for trail running than the Houdini Air? It looks pretty solid.

[doebedoe]

Slight thread-drift: Is there a better/cheaper option for trail running than the Houdini Air? It looks pretty solid.

I haven't held the Houdini Air, but based on the description and having a Houdini (vest) and an OR Tantrum II (jacket) -- I'd guess the tantrum is pretty darn similar to the air in that is stretchy and more breathable than the Houdini. Since it is being retired its <$70 currently if you can handle the bright color.

[whatsupdoc]

Slight thread-drift: Is there a better/cheaper option for trail running than the Houdini Air? It looks pretty solid.

https://www.mountainhardwear.com/men...ize=44&start=0

I picked one up on sale last year to use as a wind shirt for climbing that I could clip to my harness (my old Houdini that served this purpose was getting kinda shredded). It's a really nice piece. Way more breathable than a standard Houdini. Softer feel as well, not so crinkly. Less wind resistant of course but I think it would be pretty damn nice for trail running. I used it in Japan while touring and it worked out well there.

[Kootenai]

https://www.mountainhardwear.com/men...ize=44&start=0

I picked one up on sale last year to use as a wind shirt for climbing that I could clip to my harness (my old Houdini that served this purpose was getting kinda shredded). It's a really nice piece. Way more breathable than a standard Houdini. Softer feel as well, not so crinkly. Less wind resistant of course but I think it would be pretty damn nice for trail running. I used it in Japan while touring and it worked out well there.

Lots of mention of that layer, how is the hood? A hood is useless if the wind hits it and it inflates like a windsock.

[whatsupdoc]

Lots of mention of that layer, how is the hood? A hood is useless if the wind hits it and it inflates like a windsock.

It's not adjustable but it's very low profile, not a wind sock at all. I do have a big dome FWIW.

[andy m]

Another vote for the Mountain Hardwear Kor Preshell Hoody. It's barely heavier than the Airshed, but it has a full zip.

[JoeyFish]

OR Echo Hoody for me... Houdini Air if it's cold out

Still get soaked in sweat

[IanCH]

Oh I said dawnn partol before but I got the name wrong.

I use an alpine start for this. I can't really imagine something being more aligned with "paper thin touring hoodie" it's extremely breathable and has dwr if you get a little precip it keeps it off.

Sorry I got that wrong before I was confused when op said it was too heavy...

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[claymond]

Oh I said dawnn partol before but I got the name wrong.

I use an alpine start for this. I can't really imagine something being more aligned with "paper thin touring hoodie" it's extremely breathable and has dwr if you get a little precip it keeps it off.

Sorry I got that wrong before I was confused when op said it was too heavy...

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I always confuse them as well ha. I have alpine start too, basically the definition of paper thin hoody. Wind cuts through it but decently water resistant. I wear mine over a light wool t for majority of Wasatch tours. Basically if it's not dumping snow, above 15 degrees, below 15 mph wind, I'm wearing it

[sruffian]

I haven't held the Houdini Air, but based on the description and having a Houdini (vest) and an OR Tantrum II (jacket) -- I'd guess the tantrum is pretty darn similar to the air in that is stretchy and more breathable than the Houdini. Since it is being retired its <$70 currently if you can handle the bright color.

x2 I picked up an old tantrum for thirty bucks and it is by far my favorite trail running piece. I find it more breathable and better cut for me than the Houdini. T shirt and that thing for any cold weather runs and light enough to carry into the mountains on long runs in the summer


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[skis_the_trees]

Arc' Squamish for me since I like hoods for touring (prob more for sun protection than warmth, although both are important). Base layer and the Squamish for up and most downs, puffy when stopped to eat or watch the sunset.

For running I'm not into hoods so I have dabbled with the Patagonia Airshed pull-over and it is quite good, but honestly I think almost anything works ok for my body during high output cardio in cold weather. I find choosing the right layer(s) for hot conditions harder than cold.

[bfly]

This is a totally worthless reply but if you can find one, the Marmot Super Mica is an awesome jacket.

[kootenayskier]

If it’s not precipitating, I find a basic membrane-less soft shell such as an OR Ferrosi works great, but sometimes I’ll use my biking wind-shell, an older lined wind-shirt, a sweet XC skiing focused Windstopper softshell with venting perforations, and they all seem fine for less than demanding conditions.
My perennial challenge is dressing for storm touring days, when I’m breaking trail (working hard) during moderate to heavy snowfall. Every combination I’ve used (and I’ve tried most) involves compromise, but my current go to is a Dynafit Mercury Pro jacket (weather resistant soft shell with fleece-ish lining) over a 200 weight merino base layer. By sometimes using the hood on over my well vented touring helmet and sometimes using the merino hood underneath, and adjusting the underarm and main zippers I seem to be able to effectively regulate my temperature on the ascents, and I add a Patagonia Nano Storm jacket (insulated hard shell) during transitions and the descent. With this setup I seem to be able to stay dry and warm all day - certainly more damp than at the start, but just fine provided I have a warm car or cabin to return to.

[dfinn]

I wear this jacket for 80% of my tours including sweaty uphill sprints before work, and some colder trail runs. It's great and can be found for ~$60 if you're savvy. I've probably got 250+ days on it and it's still in good shape.

Another vote for the Ferrosi. Maybe not 250+ but probably have 100+ days in mine. Light, durable, breathes really well, also does ok when it's snowing as long as the snow is the lighter, drier type usually found around these parts.

That said, I rarely wear it on the way up. Usually just have some kind of hooded long sleeve shirt on, like a BD Alpenglow unless it's really cold or nuking snow. I run pretty hot as well, no way would I do the vest thing, that sounds terrible.

[Cruiser]

Been trail running this winter in a softshell from dynafit called the trail dst jacket. Nice and light, super breathable, stretchy, and a great fit. I have a few pieces made with their proprietary stretch material and they're all tits. Highly recommended.

[TG]

I could never figure out why people keep calling the Ferrosi “light” Its almost a pound. Too heavy when it first came out, and way too heavy now that there are so many options weighing half as much, or less.

[AKbruin]

I dunno. I can't say I've tried and compared all jackets in this range, but seems like the Ferrosi is in a different category than some of the other jackets we're discussing. It's a legitimate softshell and, IMO, fairly rugged for its weight. I often use mine when partners are using more technical shells. I'm not sure if the lighter, softer "wind jackets" are totally comparable. Maybe I'm wrong. I ordered the Mountain Hardware Preshell recommended by whatsupdoc above for trail running and will surely use it on the skintrack at some point. Anyhow, it's always fun to find out on TGR that a treasured piece of gear you've used extensively and enjoyed actually sucks.

[skiitsbetter]

Have an OR Ferrosi and the BD Alpine start, and I much prefer the BD Alpine Start. I find it gets less damp

[Bronco]

I have the Anorak version of this: https://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?p_id=2303106 I've worn it in wet and cold conditions and it works well to shed moisture and wind. It's not real breathable so it's relegated to an emergency backup in my pack. But it is super light and packs down to a 2" sphere.

Seems less breathable than Arc'teryx Squamish (my favorite). Also have a stretchy windshell from Westcomb which is nice but was expensive and pilled up pretty badly, a BD Alpine start that seems ok but runs really big and baggy. I'm usually between a Med and Large and definitely take a medium in the Alpine Start.