Moment Skis Discussion

[rocca]

Can someone school me on these exit worlds? This version is basically a deathwish tour that’s flat underfoot/narrow ghost train, correct? Did people like them?


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Pretty sure those are the Bibby/Wildcat version

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[MNazWIcoWA]

Like he said very different skis. I can the DW112 as an almost quiver of 1. I like Skier666 I have skied on it hundreds of days over the last decade. Now I have a 104 for lowtide and Ghost Train for big days. I see the WC108 more of a quiver ski. On deep days if I had the 108 I would want more ski.

You all are making me just want to grab the DW 112. If only it was in stock and not shipping next month I'd impulse buy it. There is a great Powder.com review that provides a great take on the differences (https://www.powder.com/gear-locker/r...ment-deathwish)

"How does it compare to the Wildcat 108? I bet Moment could fill a whole shelf of encyclopedias with every person who’s asked which of these two skis to get. Personally, my take is: If you’re scared of fun new things (Triple Camber) go Wildcat. If you’re brave, go Deathwish.Yes, the differences go deeper than that, but they’re subtle. The Wildcat is a touch quicker edge to edge, but I think the Deathwish holds an edge better. The Wildcat is maybe a touch looser, but the Deathwish is almost as loose, and can also be much tighter. The Deathwish handles deeper snow a tiny bit better. These are both great skis. But, please, skiers of the internet, stop overthinking this one. Get Deathwishes, they’re great. Oh, you’re scared and can’t make up your mind? Ok, get the ones that have the graphic you like better. But stop wasting sleep over this."

[BeHuWe]

You all are making me just want to grab the DW 112. If only it was in stock and not shipping next month I'd impulse buy it. There is a great Powder.com review that provides a great take on the differences (https://www.powder.com/gear-locker/r...ment-deathwish)

"How does it compare to the Wildcat 108? I bet Moment could fill a whole shelf of encyclopedias with every person who’s asked which of these two skis to get. Personally, my take is: If you’re scared of fun new things (Triple Camber) go Wildcat. If you’re brave, go Deathwish.Yes, the differences go deeper than that, but they’re subtle. The Wildcat is a touch quicker edge to edge, but I think the Deathwish holds an edge better. The Wildcat is maybe a touch looser, but the Deathwish is almost as loose, and can also be much tighter. The Deathwish handles deeper snow a tiny bit better. These are both great skis. But, please, skiers of the internet, stop overthinking this one. Get Deathwishes, they’re great. Oh, you’re scared and can’t make up your mind? Ok, get the ones that have the graphic you like better. But stop wasting sleep over this."

Just get both. Im sure there is room in the quiver for each.

Ive always found room [emoji6]


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[scmartin69]

the 112 feels softer than the Countach and gets pushed around more as well.

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[MNazWIcoWA]

Just get both. Im sure there is room in the quiver for each.

Ive always found room [emoji6]


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I'd love to get both, but with the bleak PNW snow outlook I am already looking at mountain bikes to make myself feel better. I am not sure my wife will be too happy if I spend our vacation money on skis and bikes? TGR please tell me she won't leave me??

In addition to the DW and WC I am really close to impulse buying a Commander 108 for the top sheet alone. How fun is this ski? I know its their hard charging ski, but assume its still decently playful consider its still a Moment and their freeriders ski it. Feel like the Commander 108 and WC 108 or DW would be a sweet combo for now. Or would is the Countach a better ski than the Commander 108?

[scmartin69]

Oh, you’re scared and can’t make up your mind? Ok, get the ones that have the graphic you like better. But stop wasting sleep over this."

Also this...

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[MNazWIcoWA]

Also this...

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What is this nonsense. We are in forums to over analyze decisions to death not make an actual deciison.

With that being said I made an offer on those Commanders due to the graphic!

[BeHuWe]

I'd love to get both, but with the bleak PNW snow outlook I am already looking at mountain bikes to make myself feel better. I am not sure my wife will be too happy if I spend our vacation money on skis and bikes? TGR please tell me she won't leave me??

In addition to the DW and WC I am really close to impulse buying a Commander 108 for the top sheet alone. How fun is this ski? I know its their hard charging ski, but assume its still decently playful consider its still a Moment and their freeriders ski it. Feel like the Commander 108 and WC 108 or DW would be a sweet combo for now. Or would is the Countach a better ski than the Commander 108?

Freeriders ski it but I wouldn’t call the Commander 108 playful by any sense of the word. The commander is a damp charger.

The commander is “more ski” than the countach in equal lengths and requires a more attentive or active pilot. I don’t think the countach has a speed requirement whereas the commanders need speed to come alive. Both have very high speed limits but i have yet to find either. (See mere mortal)

The countach feels more flickable and easier to manipulate in tight spaces and almost asks you to. The commander just wants you to point it through those tight space because it will carry through.

Countach, 188 at rec (-8)
Commander 108, 188 at +2 (-8)
For comparison



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[PeachesNCream]

You all are making me just want to grab the DW 112. If only it was in stock and not shipping next month I'd impulse buy it. There is a great Powder.com review that provides a great take on the differences (https://www.powder.com/gear-locker/r...ment-deathwish)

"How does it compare to the Wildcat 108? I bet Moment could fill a whole shelf of encyclopedias with every person who’s asked which of these two skis to get. Personally, my take is: If you’re scared of fun new things (Triple Camber) go Wildcat. If you’re brave, go Deathwish.Yes, the differences go deeper than that, but they’re subtle. The Wildcat is a touch quicker edge to edge, but I think the Deathwish holds an edge better. The Wildcat is maybe a touch looser, but the Deathwish is almost as loose, and can also be much tighter. The Deathwish handles deeper snow a tiny bit better. These are both great skis. But, please, skiers of the internet, stop overthinking this one. Get Deathwishes, they’re great. Oh, you’re scared and can’t make up your mind? Ok, get the ones that have the graphic you like better. But stop wasting sleep over this."

This is exactly my point. “The differences are subtle”. I’m a big fan of the dwt and I’m sure the wc108 is a great ski, just surprised they can both fit in the lineup.


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[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Freeriders ski it but I wouldn’t call the Commander 108 playful by any sense of the word. The commander is a damp charger.

The commander is “more ski” than the countach in equal lengths and requires a more attentive or active pilot. I don’t think the countach has a speed requirement whereas the commanders need speed to come alive. Both have very high speed limits but i have yet to find either. (See mere mortal)

The countach feels more flickable and easier to manipulate in tight spaces and almost asks you to. The commander just wants you to point it through those tight space because it will carry through.

Countach, 188 at rec (-8)
Commander 108, 188 at +2 (-8)
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Spot on. I never viewed the Commander as playful in any regard.

[MNazWIcoWA]

Freeriders ski it but I wouldn’t call the Commander 108 playful by any sense of the word. The commander is a damp charger.

The commander is “more ski” than the countach in equal lengths and requires a more attentive or active pilot. I don’t think the countach has a speed requirement whereas the commanders need speed to come alive. Both have very high speed limits but i have yet to find either. (See mere mortal)

The countach feels more flickable and easier to manipulate in tight spaces and almost asks you to. The commander just wants you to point it through those tight space because it will carry through.

Countach, 188 at rec (-8)
Commander 108, 188 at +2 (-8)
For comparison



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Yeah I didn't mean playful in the sense that other Moment skis are or even to the extent the Countach is. However, it nots not a damp heavy charger like some other skis on the market. Blister has a good review of it. I think overall it seems the Commander is a charger that rewards a more dynamic/active pilot vs some dead chargers that just point and shoot, chewing up everything.

I think the word playful gets thrown around incorrectly, myself a culprit of that. I should have said freeride oriented does well off-piste, stable on drops of all sizes, stable in the air and landing, etc.

With that being said, I am not in denial of what it is. I am getting it to rip around the mountain.

[BeHuWe]

Yeah I didn't mean playful in the sense that other Moment skis are or even to the extent the Countach is. However, it nots not a damp heavy charger like some other skis on the market. Blister has a good review of it. I think overall it seems the Commander is a charger that rewards a more dynamic/active pilot vs some dead chargers that just point and shoot, chewing up everything.

I think the word playful gets thrown around incorrectly, myself a culprit of that. I should have said freeride oriented does well off-piste, stable on drops of all sizes, stable in the air and landing, etc.

With that being said, I am not in denial of what it is. I am getting it to rip around the mountain.

Commander = slayer on the headphones and im here to hatefuck the hill with precision

Wc108/dw113 = probably reggae or some mid 90’s hip hop in the helmet and im jibing around popping and spinning off everything

Countach just lives between these two states. It really is another DW in terms of a ski that can really do a lot of things pretty well. And for the right skier it’s gonna be ski that rules them all.


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[FloridaSnow]

This is exactly my point. “The differences are subtle”. I’m a big fan of the dwt and I’m sure the wc108 is a great ski, just surprised they can both fit in the lineup.


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because the way they ski are not subtlety different. While they’re both “free style twin tip” the ski experience is vastly different.

the wildcat 108 does not ski the same as the dw 112 or the 104. The skiing experience is vastly different between the mustache rocker and the triple camber. It’s two different skis with two different skiing experiences. That’s why they both exist.

maybe you haven’t hopped on them all and felt the difference. Owning all three I can say for a fact it’s a different skiing experience and can easily see why they both are in the line up. One person can love the WC and absolutely hate the DW. Different profiles create a different feel on snow. It’s really not that confusing

[FloridaSnow]

Yeah I didn't mean playful in the sense that other Moment skis are or even to the extent the Countach is. However, it nots not a damp heavy charger like some other skis on the market. Blister has a good review of it. I think overall it seems the Commander is a charger that rewards a more dynamic/active pilot vs some dead chargers that just point and shoot, chewing up everything.

I think the word playful gets thrown around incorrectly, myself a culprit of that. I should have said freeride oriented does well off-piste, stable on drops of all sizes, stable in the air and landing, etc.

With that being said, I am not in denial of what it is. I am getting it to rip around the mountain.

the commander 108 is not playful. It’s a double metal layered flat tail charger. I have the 98 and found the 108 to be more work. While it felt more planted and stable at speed it just felt like more ski overall. Nothing playful about it. Especially compared to the others mentioned.

based off everything you’ve said you wanted on all the sites I don’t picture you happy with the commander 108.

[phatty]

I use the C108 as my daily driver. I came to it from the MFree 108, skiing it for two seasons. I loved how loose the MFree was in soft snow and how it made me want to pop off things. It was composed, but I felt it struggled more than I wanted when things got heavy or chopped up.

The C108 is a strong ski, but I don't feel it's "demanding". You can ski it as hard as you want. It will plow through most anything and has a great top end. While not playful or loose, it still wants to jump off things. While it likes to go fast, it can slow down and still be fun. Definitely not a noodler, though.

I have been debating the Countach as a ski to be in between the MFree and the Commander. Still thinking about it, but loving the C108 too much to change yet.

[MNazWIcoWA]

I use the C108 as my daily driver. I came to it from the MFree 108, skiing it for two seasons. I loved how loose the MFree was in soft snow and how it made me want to pop off things. It was composed, but I felt it struggled more than I wanted when things got heavy or chopped up.

The C108 is a strong ski, but I don't feel it's "demanding". You can ski it as hard as you want. It will plow through most anything and has a great top end. While not playful or loose, it still wants to jump off things. While it likes to go fast, it can slow down and still be fun. Definitely not a noodler, though.

I have been debating the Countach as a ski to be in between the MFree and the Commander. Still thinking about it, but loving the C108 too much to change yet.

Yeah I was able to chat with a few folks from Moment about the Commander 108 yesterday and the take away seemed to be that if you are strong, aggressive skier its not an unwieldy ski by any means. They really wanted a ski that would charge, but could also could speed and pivot quickly..just needs to be done with purpose (their words). You aren't casually slashly around and noodling between trees.

I know most of the freeride team as moved over to the Countach, which is probably due to where freeride as a whole is going i.e. more freestyle freedride vs charging steep lines and dropping the biggest cliffs. Seeing similar changes with other ski makers freeride skis as well.

[zion zig zag]

Thanks all for the advice so far. I still don't know if I want a DWT or a WC108 tour.

[zion zig zag]

Yup, at least 50+ days touring across the 190 WC108 and 118 tours mounted at -1 and wouldnt have them mounted any farther forwards for my skiing style. Pretty much every ski I have ever owned I end up mounting further back than recommended

I also had mine mounted -1 (184cm). They maybe lost a fraction of the playfulness they had at rec, but at -1 had no issues with the tip dive I had experienced on the line. I thought -1 was solid.

Gracias.

[phatty]

I wish I had read all this -1 mount discussion before I mounted my WCT on the line [emoji1751] I'm sure I'll be fine. [emoji28]

[lemonhead]

I can confuse you more and say I think that on a DW or WC +2 is where it's at lol.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

because the way they ski are not subtlety different. While they’re both “free style twin tip” the ski experience is vastly different.

the wildcat 108 does not ski the same as the dw 112 or the 104. The skiing experience is vastly different between the mustache rocker and the triple camber. It’s two different skis with two different skiing experiences. That’s why they both exist.

maybe you haven’t hopped on them all and felt the difference. Owning all three I can say for a fact it’s a different skiing experience and can easily see why they both are in the line up. One person can love the WC and absolutely hate the DW. Different profiles create a different feel on snow. It’s really not that confusing

It’s almost like people can have differing opinions on things…. I understand you have a lot of knowledge when it comes to moments skis and you’ve been on a lot of them but you’ve got a lighten up a little dude. The way a lot of your stuff read is pretty condescending. Kind of a vibe killer.

[Going Coastal]

I have zero experience on the C108, but love my C98's and dont find them to be particularly demanding unless I try to make them do something they weren't optimized to do. You really have to ski them with intention, and if you take them into heavier snow, particularly anywhere tight, they are going to be more work than something with more float and tail rocker. Hardpack, blower, groomers, etc.. they are perfectly maneuverable, even in bumps and well spaced trees if you plan a few turns ahead. Get them in cement or something punchy and you are in for a lot of active unweighting and you really need to keep the speed up. Ski with intention they are awesome, but get out of sorts and they can and will take you on a ride.

And as great as I find the 98, the new widths are a little confusing to me, honestly. The 92 as a pure groomer and hardpack ski seems fun and I'm sure it fits that bill perfect, but the 102 just seems like more width than I want for days Im reaching for the Commander over something more soft snow oriented. The 98 just seems like such a happy medium where its narrow enough for ripping hardpack but still enough ski to take them elsewhere except for very specific conditions. Really glad I got them when I could.

[TeleBeaver]

The countach is essentially a commander that you can ski slow. I haven't found the top end of either ski (mere mortal on freeheel gear), but the commander requires more speed to come to life. The commander 98 specifically is a bit of a catch 22 for me. When it is firm enough to want a 98mm ski, I am not skiing fast enough off piste to make them come to life. When it softens up and I could let then run, I'm almost always reaching for something wider. The countach has a lower barrier to entry, and is more fun at slow speeds while still having a very high top end (much higher than the DW). The commanders are pretty heavy and are less inspiring to send off jumps, while the CT has some nice pop and is still an extremely stable landing platform. Coming from the DW the CT is a good bit more demanding, but only in that you have to actually finish your turns and ski properly, vs the DW which you can telepathically slarve at any moment to maneuver through techy terrain.

[MNazWIcoWA]

The countach is essentially a commander that you can ski slow. I haven't found the top end of either ski (mere mortal on freeheel gear), but the commander requires more speed to come to life. The commander 98 specifically is a bit of a catch 22 for me. When it is firm enough to want a 98mm ski, I am not skiing fast enough off piste to make them come to life. When it softens up and I could let then run, I'm almost always reaching for something wider. The countach has a lower barrier to entry, and is more fun at slow speeds while still having a very high top end (much higher than the DW). The commanders are pretty heavy and are less inspiring to send off jumps, while the CT has some nice pop and is still an extremely stable landing platform. Coming from the DW the CT is a good bit more demanding, but only in that you have to actually finish your turns and ski properly, vs the DW which you can telepathically slarve at any moment to maneuver through techy terrain.

Seems like a good take. I think for the more aggressive skier, who may not want a large quiver, the Countach seems like a great choice. It can go fast and charge, but isn't unweildy when you aren't feeling like it. Even at -8 it seems to be pretty decent for spins in the air and landing/riding switch a bit (from what I've seen). Tail isn't too flat.

[FloridaSnow]

I have zero experience on the C108, but love my C98's and dont find them to be particularly demanding unless I try to make them do something they weren't optimized to do. You really have to ski them with intention, and if you take them into heavier snow, particularly anywhere tight, they are going to be more work than something with more float and tail rocker. Hardpack, blower, groomers, etc.. they are perfectly maneuverable, even in bumps and well spaced trees if you plan a few turns ahead. Get them in cement or something punchy and you are in for a lot of active unweighting and you really need to keep the speed up. Ski with intention they are awesome, but get out of sorts and they can and will take you on a ride.

And as great as I find the 98, the new widths are a little confusing to me, honestly. The 92 as a pure groomer and hardpack ski seems fun and I'm sure it fits that bill perfect, but the 102 just seems like more width than I want for days Im reaching for the Commander over something more soft snow oriented. The 98 just seems like such a happy medium where it’s narrow enough for ripping hardpack but still enough ski to take them elsewhere except for very specific conditions. Really glad I got them when I could.

I’m trying to remember the conversation with Luke but I want to say he mentioned the commander 108 had too much overlap with the countach 110.

so they wanted to slim down the new commander line to make it fit into the whole line up better. Theyre essentially new skis as well as they don’t share the same specs with the older wider line up. I was interested in the 102 and was asking him for comparisons between my 98 and the 108 I had demoed a few times.

he recommended the countach instead for my quiver.