110 last in a 28.5-29 shell?

[Whipper]

Does anyone know what boots have a around a 110 last in a 28.5-29cm shell? My feet are a 31 with a 117 last and found a few 28.5 boots with lasts 112 but fit a little sloppy. Ive tried about 5 130 flex boot and they are all to small to start with for punching or to wide for my 117mm feet! Those delbello Boss with a 106mm last at the standard 26 mondo size are 115 in the 28.5. They felt way to comfy for a race fit that I like. Pluss way to soft. i like a 130-140 flex and some 98mm last are in the 108mm last at 28.5-29 mondo but every manufacture vary s so much as the size go up i thought buy asking hear maybe I can save some valuable time going to shop to shop as ive tried on so many boots with only the KR Fusion at 98mm feeling decent at 110mm last in a 29 mondo according to my trusty digital calibration tool I bring with with me.

So many high performance skiers that fit into a 98mm true last in a 26.5 shell have only 100 last feet and lots of those guys can fit into a 96mm plug. The magic number seems to be between 3 and 5mm last difference without collapsing the foot and joints for best performance? Does that sound about right? I know the KR at 110 last {even though stated 98 last on the boot}lol Were a nice tight fit and after moulding and a small big to punch would be probably a good performance fit. They are a little soft though for my size and ability + style. Any one else with a long narrow 117 last foot find a great boot in a 130+ flex? For the small footed friends yes 117 is quite normal for a size 13 foot. Most have 119-122 last at those lengths. haha i squeeze into a 10.5 uk or 28.5 modo in most manufactures shells though for what I need. i sure wish the last was stated for boots over 26 though this drives me nuts!!

[TexasGortex]

We have the same length feet but mine are 124mm+ wide. We might be able to buy some boots if we averaged them out.

Check out Lange, they sell a bunch of their good 130-140 boots (XT, RX, RS I think) in multiple widths and some even have a low volume model.

[skiing-in-jackson]

Overall width of your foot is not as important as the flexibility of your foot.

Comfort in a ski boot can be greatly oversimplified when fitting wide feet: how flexible is your foot? Flexible feet are comfortable, rigid feet are not. Usually.


Last width is measured on a 26 or 27 boot and can grow dramatically in larger sizes.

[auvgeek]

Overall width of your foot is not as important as the flexibility of your foot.

Comfort in a ski boot can be greatly oversimplified when fitting wide feet: how flexible is your foot? Flexible feet are comfortable, rigid feet are not. Usually.

How do you gauge flexibility in a foot? I mean, ankle ROM is easy, but I assume you're talking about how much compression a foot can take without causing pain, right?

To be clear: I'm not asking for a scientific experiment on how this is measured. I'm simply asking how you tell if a new customer has a rigid or flexible foot when he/she walks into your shop and asks for a performance-fit boot.

[XavierD]

i bet your local shops love you

did you ever just shell fit for volume?

maybe just buy the red ones

[gregL]

i sure wish the last was stated for boots over 26 though this drives me nuts!!

As a general rule, add 2mm to the stated forefoot width for every size over 26.5 mondo (for example, a 100mm shell in a size 27.5 would be 102mm). But as skiing-in-jackson and Xavier D mention, overall volume and lateral flexibility (not arch mobility as tested with a Windlass test) are better indicators of whether you'll fit in a given shell. You don't have the luxury of picking and choosing last widths anyway, just get something close and work with a good bootfitter to dial it in.

[TAFKALVS]

wall of text

Maybe just go to a good boot fitter, "say this is my foot, I ski x number of days a winter on this type of ski and terrain. Please select a boot for me. I am willing to spend the time to have boot fitting done properly."

[westoxified]

As a general rule, add 2mm to the stated forefoot width for every size over 26.5 mondo (for example, a 100mm shell in a size 27.5 would be 102mm). But as skiing-in-jackson and Xavier D mention, overall volume and lateral flexibility (not arch mobility as tested with a Windlass test) are better indicators of whether you'll fit in a given shell. You don't have the luxury of picking and choosing last widths anyway, just get something close and work with a good bootfitter to dial it in.

this and don't buy boots from your computer

[Whipper]

Excellent answers thanks so much. I have heard that about langes and have to try some and see what the fitter says about making them fit. We have Atomic Waymakers in our town never thought to try them. The 2mm for every size up will be a helpfull guide to use to give me an idea. Ya not very flexible feet just long boot boat boards. i can wiggle my toes thats about it. LOL med width calf's never have a problem there with a boot being to narrow at the calf. Big toe longest toe and they all ramp down symmetrical to the 5th toe. Im going out on Monday to try more boots. i like the idea of the shell being heat moldible like the 130 Solomon X pro and X max. But that scares me a little as one fellow said he worries about delam were the materials meet? Ive never heard of that he was probably just trying to sell me his boots. LOL Ill say that the Delbello Boss fit me like a glove in a 28.5. Toes at the end and a good feeling all around right out of the box. That worried me for two reasons. That was a surprise!! I could buckle them half way so thinking performance would suffer in short order pluss a little soft for my 6ft 220 frame. i could fold them over pretty easy. I think im to used to pain? haha Ill be looking for that feeling of the boss but stiffer and way snugger feel threw out. Its been almost 10 years having to buy boots. i should have changed mine 2 years ago but got another 100 days out them. haha Pivot bucket has wore threw now and din soles dont hold like they should in the toe and that freeks me out. thanks for the reply's...

[2FUNKY]

What others have said plus look into the Atomic Hawx 130. Flowing said waymaker, so maybe you're looking for a touring boot. Didn't read your whole post.

[Whipper]

2FUNKY no not a touring boot so to speech but walk function is something i have never had and if I can get a real performance fit for the down in a semi up boot that would just be a bonus. I guess since i haven't had to worry about boots for 10 years does this unicorn accually exist? The Hawk 130 looks great also. I mean ive gone this long with regular downhill boots. I wouldn't bother me. I have DPS Wailers, Faction 3.0 and JJ,s all with none tech binders and my 90 mm wasted Nordica Jetfuels for hard days and teaching. Since boots last a pretty long time maybe if the unicorn exists i would be half way there going this rout as it is something i was planning on but ive said that for a long time to myself lol? But yes you are correct. Never mentioned that. The only time but hope to do less of that wear a walk mode would be nice is in February all the school kids start coming to hill and when you get a buss load beginner kids and your group is 20 of them because all the smart guys stay home those days. And your walking over hear and there picking there sorry asses up all around you!! haha Other than that never found reg boots a problem. Some people like that function they say? never tried it.

[One (+) Sentence]

Have you tried on a Tecnica Ten.2 120 flex (quite stiff for a 120) boot with the HVL liner option? Also, check out Salomon's X-Pro 130 with the Custom Shell.

http://www.evo.com/alpine-ski-boots/...2-120-hvl.aspx
^^These ones. Stated last in the description is 102mm, but I believe that is for the standard Ten.2, the HVL liner option brings the last to 106mm in the 26 reference size.

[gregL]

Have you tried on a Tecnica Ten.2 120 flex (quite stiff for a 120) boot with the HVL liner option? Also, check out Salomon's X-Pro 130 with the Custom Shell.

http://www.evo.com/alpine-ski-boots/...2-120-hvl.aspx
^^These ones. Stated last in the description is 102mm, but I believe that is for the standard Ten.2, the HVL liner option brings the last to 106mm in the 26 reference size.

Not sure who wrote that text for evo, but it's not correct - Ten.2 shells are 102mm wide at the forefoot by definition (10.2 cm), and HVL just means "high volume" - there are not two liner options. On the plus side for wider than 102mm feet, the instep and toebox are quite tall and the boot can be widened easily by a bootfitter.

[One (+) Sentence]

Not sure who wrote that text for evo, but it's not correct - Ten.2 shells are 102mm wide at the forefoot by definition (10.2 cm), and HVL just means "high volume" - there are not two liner options. On the plus side for wider than 102mm feet, the instep and toebox are quite tall and the boot can be widened easily by a bootfitter.

There has absolutely been 2 liner options for that shell for many years in its various incarnations (Vento, Phoenix, Ten.2, etc.)I guess I don't know for a fact that is the case for 2017.


Edit- looks like for 2017 Tecnica is offering a new CAS liner in that she'll so it makes sense that there is no longer an option. Looks like the CAS liner is more similarly patterned after the old HVL liner as even Tecnica claims it is a 106mm last. Yeah sure, I get that the Ten.2 name denotes 102mm.
https://www.tecnicausa.com/product-d...or_number=BKOR

Anyways, that Salomon X Pro 130 CS may be a better option anyways. It would expand to match the OPs width where necessary and not anywhere else.

[gregL]

Tecnica claims it is a 106mm last. Yeah sure, I get that the Ten.2 name denotes 102mm.
https://www.tecnicausa.com/product-d...or_number=BKOR

One (+) Sentence is right on this.

The dealer materials given to shops in the spring of 2016 had the Ten.2 120 listed at a 102 last, but an email to our rep confirms it should have been 106mm. We were not given any choice of liners for this boot.

[XavierD]

HVL = 106mm

The boxes still say 102, but the boots have always supposed to be a 106mm in a 26