Marker Baron Delta Angle compared to Griffon Demo

[tango uniform]

Here's my Dilemma: I've just mounted some 2016 Mantras with some 2012 Barons, and I'm not liking the feel of the ski with the Baron on it. I've spent 3 days on the ski mounted with Griffon Demo in a broad range of conditions to make sure "this is the one". Both boot centers are on the same mark. The rep said I wouldn't notice the difference in height, and in theory it would leverage quicker edge to edge transitions. The only numbers I could find were stand height dimensions, no heel/toe delta dims. I'm really searching for that spot, but I'm awkwardly adjusting my Center of Mass to the point where I'm actually crouching to drive the tips more.

I'm in some Tecnica Bushwacker 110 flex boots with the air bladders, its the same shell as the previous gen Cochise, of course they ditched the stupid bladders and pumps. What can I try to experiment with lifting the heel, besides throwing some pads under the liners?

[Breomonkey]

I believe the barons run pretty flat. Unfortunately I have no clue on the market demo's.

[milestogo]

I hated the stack height of the barons after skiing dynafits/tele. It felt totally awkward to be that high off the ski and the response from the ski was sluggish. Sounds like heel lifters under the liner is the easiest and cheapest option, easily available from the foot care section of your local drugstore

[CaliBrit]

I believe the ramp is very very similar.

With the toe on the Baron adjusted to an alpine boot height.

[GeezerSteve]

Baron/Duke ramp delta depends on the position of the adjustable AFD, and that, in turn, depends on the boot sole profile and inherent RA, if any, built into the boot. I've seen a ramp delta of 10mm or more with a rocker-sole AT boot (AFD cranked low), and I've also seen a negative ramp angle with an alpine boot (AFD cranked high). Lord SP seems even flatter with more potential of negative RA, and I recently installed a shim under the rear binding of a bud's Lord SP to get close to what he's accustomed to skiing.

[XavierD]

could be the inherent slop of the baron. Skis will feel a bit more slow to react with it.

[tango uniform]

I found some info in an old thread about a similar issue. The Griffon has 4mm positive delta and is stacked at 22mm. The Baron is flat pretty much when used with alpine boots, and is stacked at 36mm. I've made some lifts with some old footbeds, I'll start there. Hopefully it will help.

I'm assuming this characteristic will be positive once I get these babies in real snow. I'm noticing a dramatic change because I'm on frozen man-made here in the northeast. Our lake affect dump is long gone.

Anyhow, thanks for all the awesome input. I'll keep you posted on my results.

Happy New year to you all.

Rich-

[Breomonkey]

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