Garmont Adrenaline isn't Dynafit compatible?

[Dr. Crash]

At least from the picture on the Couloir release I can't see the telltale silver holes at the toe.

Why? Wouldn't it be killer to have a single boot that could go from alpine duty to lightweight randonnee? Should I buy a Mega-Ride on sale then?

drC

[Mulletizer]

The issue is "lightweight randonee". This boot ain't gonna win no prizes for its weight. My guess is that either the boot in the picture is not a final model and will have the fittings (unlikely) or that they thought this boot would not appeal to the ultralight crowd so it wasn't worth the fittings (likely IMO).

[ulty_guy]

i have to say that i'm reserving any boot purchases till i try this thing on. pretty pumped about the idea.

[Mulletizer]

Originally posted by ulty_guy
i have to say that i'm reserving any boot purchases till i try this thing on. pretty pumped about the idea.

Exactly as I too am doing

[Platinum Pete]

I'll third that emotion. It does irk me that ski boots can't be more like cycling shoes, in that the binders/pedals come with the fittings/cleats to adapt to your footwear, and the fittings are relatively cheap. Sure all the materials stresses and torque and shit that make building the ski boots the way they are... but if we're going to spend billions populating mars with robots we ought to get some better ski boot technology out of it.

[Mountain Junkie]

Make that a fourth. Hopefully this boot lives up to the hype that's been generated by 1 article. I'm sick of skinning in my alpine boots. At least it's a good workout.

Just wish it was coming out this winter. Why do they tease so?

[Xover]

All,

I wouldn't get too excited just yet about the Adrenaline. After being told that it was "much" stiffer than the G-Ride and Mega-Ride, I checked it at the OR show here in SLC. Specifically I checked the tongue flex. It is a "little" stiffer than the current G-Ride, but nothing to write home about. And the Garmont rep claimed that the swiss have just been skiing it in the "walk" mode cause the "ski" mode is way to much boot for them. Ya, whatever. Also, they changed the walk/ski lever so it doesn't pop up unexpectedly due to pant cuff or pow or whatever.

However, the updated Denali XT is the tits!! New color: Red (not that baby blue crap anymore). New walk/ski lever that actually "locks" into its own slot at each postition; plus it now has another postion of "soft". BD seems to, and always has, be leading the pack in AT boot development.

I am currently using the G-Ride cause it fits my foot the best, but it is way too soft for my liking. I am not counting on the Adrenalin in any way to meet my wish list in an AT boot. What I have done is get a larger pair of Denali XT tongues and put them on my G-Rides. They are noticebly stiffer and come up higher than the stock G-Ride tongue. If that don't work, then I'm gonna get a pair of Flexon tongues and if that don't work then I'm just gonna keep touring in my Alpine boots.

[Mulletizer]

Originally posted by Xover
I wouldn't get too excited just yet about the Adrenaline. After being told that it was "much" stiffer than the G-Ride and Mega-Ride, I checked it at the OR show here in SLC. Specifically I checked the tongue flex. It is a "little" stiffer than the current G-Ride, but nothing to write home about.

...BD seems to, and always has, be leading the pack in AT boot development.

When you say "checked it out" do you mean you played with the tongue in your hands or you actually wore the boots? There's a pretty big difference. Whilst tongue flex has been a defining factor in stiffness for previous AT boots, it has not been the case for all boots. Forward flex and stiffness are affected by loads of factors; to judge these boots by their tongues alone strikes me to be a pretty big assumption.

Just point one thing out: BD don't make or design boots (although they do, I believe, mod them) - they sell them. Scarpa are an Italian company, BD are just the agents that sell them in the US.

I think we are all hoping these boots will be the bomb - stiff yet easy to walk in and so on. Not trying to pick a fight or crap on what you are saying saying here - just my .02.

[Flash]

One of my buddies brought next year's Garmont catalog home from OR. The Adrenaline is definitely NOT Dynafit compatable....at least not next year.

The do look sweet though....

[slim]

What's the deal on Scarpa AT versus Garmont AT fit? I was told Garmont is for narrow and Scarpa is for wide. However, in another post regarding tele boots, fez indicated it was the opposite.

[cj001f]

Originally posted by Mulletizer Just point one thing out: BD don't make or design boots (although they do, I believe, mod them) - they sell them. Scarpa are an Italian company, BD are just the agents that sell them in the US.[/B]

I think they like to claim "development partner". Really, an importer is what they are. The US market just ain't that big.

Is the new Denali red like the preblue XT? Or "red" like the early pink models?

['boat skier]

Does anyone else have concerns about energy transmission as a result of the interchangable soles? The thought occured to me the other day. I don't know if my fears are well founded or if I have too much time on my hands.

[fez]

Originally posted by slim
What's the deal on Scarpa AT versus Garmont AT fit? I was told Garmont is for narrow and Scarpa is for wide. However, in another post regarding tele boots, fez indicated it was the opposite.

Actually i didnt. I was talking about tele boots.

Garmont Tele boots fit wider than Scarpa tele boots. Or at least fit my flippers better.

Scarpa tele boots never fit me well, garmonts were sweet.

I love my Denali XT's though.

So I guess you should just try them on and decide for yourself and not listen to me. sorry.

[Dr. Crash]

The guys at Marmot Moutain said the same for AT boots: Garmont wider than Scarpa. Couldn't check it myself as they didn't have the right size in Scarpa.

Bummer about the Dynafit thing. If I get a randonnee setup, it's got to have Dynafit on it, so I can keep some decent skis under those binders. Otherwise, why not stick with the Trekkers?

drC

[Idris]

No Adrenaline in the near future footworks in Chamonix say not until mid season next year...looks like I'll be midifying a pair of alpines to replace my Richlee F1's.......as for the no dynafit compatability a boot that stiff would destroy the binders or that is the rational, hence no Denali XT dyanfit inserts.

[Dr. Crash]

So Idris, is the Denali XT much stiffer than the Mega-Ride? I can't find both to compare. I really care about the downhill experience (I skin up in alpine boots and Trekkers and it's not bad yet, really) but at the same time, having Naxos or Freeride on a dedicated AT ski sounds a bit silly.

drC

[Arty50]

Originally posted by 'boat skier
Does anyone else have concerns about energy transmission as a result of the interchangable soles? The thought occured to me the other day. I don't know if my fears are well founded or if I have too much time on my hands.

All Atomic boots have fully replaceable/changeable toes and heels (there's nothing in the middle). I've skied on a pair of 9.50s for the past 2 1/2 seasons and I've never had a problem with any of them loosening nor have I detected any amount of play in them.

[Arty50]

Originally posted by Dr. Crash
The guys at Marmot Moutain said the same for AT boots: Garmont wider than Scarpa. Couldn't check it myself as they didn't have the right size in Scarpa.
drC

Nope. I tried on both the Scarpa Lazers and Garmont G-Rides last year. My feet are on the narrow side and I was swimming in the Lazers. The G-Rides were just about right. I also tried on a pair of Lowa Struktura EVOs and they were somewhere in the middle.

[summit]

Garmonts are wider than Denalis from my trying on experience.

I love my G-Rides except for their softness when warm... they stiffen up radically if its below 20F

The energy transfer? Depends on how they built

[Dr. Crash]

Originally posted by Walter Sobchak
It sounds like a marketing decision -- they figure there aren't enough light binding-stiff boot enthusiasts to make it worth licensing and molding the things. They're probably right.

But, but, but... What about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!

That sounds right as far as an explanation goes, but it does suck I guess I'll try a Mega-Ride then (that is, if I find the budget; those hardwood floors and stairs are expensive !). If the Dynafit bindings and associated boots are good enough for Andrew McLean they're good enough for me while touring, I guess.

drC

[ulty_guy]

dr c.- walter shoback (i think) was talking a while back (may have even been the 'powder' days) about how some of the tour-ons in cali were putting their own make-shift dynafit holes into regular alpine boots. maybe worth a search or pm