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11-02-2005, 11:47 AM #1
Garmont Megaride tongue swap TR (+Mega and Dynafit review)
So.
This is propably the shortest ever "instruction"...
Get older Raichle Flexon tongues for 10€ a piece. Or for free.
1.On the left is a size Flexon Comp 7-8 1/2 (7-13) very stiff tongue.
2.In the center megarides original slipper. Softer than a boob.
3.On the right is a Flexon Comp 3-6 L wich is about twice as stiff as the original, but half as stiff as the Yellow.
With the mid-flex.
With the stiff. What a beauty!
The istallations were a real no-brainer.
Those tongues were equiped with the metal attachment clip, that you could clip straight to the boots socket.
Snap.
10 seconds max.
The boots were nice even with the mid-flex.Stiffened up quite a lot, but the boot still retained a relatively good flex pattern,and the walk properties were still good.
The stiff was...well...stiff. Id say very stiff, i dont know if it was due to the weird flex pattern or why,but the boot felt like a stiff alpine boot. Nice.
And the pain that I usually got on the shin with the regular tongue, is all gone too.
The problem with the stiff tongue is that it stiffens up the boot (too?) much in the walk mode. For longer hikes i guess you would have to loosen the powerstrap and/or the buckles.
All in all: Those tongues transform the boot quite a bit.
But, i havent skied a bit with the boots, so how they affect the skiing is a completely another thing...
I´ll be wiser in 2 weeks.Last edited by Meathelmet; 11-23-2005 at 01:40 PM.
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11-02-2005, 12:13 PM #2
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11-02-2005, 02:53 PM #3
I did this early this summer wit hthe stiff tongues and G-Rides.... some trimming required so the buckles didnt hit the new tongue... nice stiff but created pressure points
Originally Posted by blurred
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11-02-2005, 03:09 PM #4
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11-02-2005, 03:18 PM #5Originally Posted by Summit
No pressurepoints noted either. Neither before or after.
The bootsize is 25.5.
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11-02-2005, 03:48 PM #6Originally Posted by Meathelmet
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11-02-2005, 04:09 PM #7Originally Posted by pde20
Those two are a bit different sized, the yellows being maybe 1-2cm higher and wider, the blacks are about the same size as the originals.
Edit: And i have a quite normal feet. If my feet would be a lot higher, there might be some problems to close the lower two buckles,especially the toe.
It a bit tight.
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11-02-2005, 06:46 PM #8Registered User
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raichle flexons w/stiff tongues fs in gear swap
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11-02-2005, 06:56 PM #9
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11-02-2005, 10:54 PM #10
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11-03-2005, 09:54 AM #11Originally Posted by pde20
26.5 (8.5) boots and 9-9.5 tongues. Pressure points on lower shin and above forefoot.
I had to trim the tongues ever so slightly (very easy and no negative effect) around the instep buckle location so that the buckle didnt interfere.Originally Posted by blurred
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11-03-2005, 11:28 AM #12Registered User
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I used a 11-12.5 Flexon tongue on a 10-11.5 Scarpa Laser. It is a bit higher than the stock tongue.
IMHO, using a slightly larger tongue adds stiffness to an AT boot. It made a HUGE difference in how mine ski.
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11-23-2005, 12:11 PM #13
Ok.
REVIEW TIME FOR MEGARIDES + DYNAFITS
What can i say?
Holy fuck!!!
First of all, the race tongue really,really stiffened the boot up. Bigtime.
Second,the dynafits rule totally and suck a bit too.
But in short.
Boots.
Tested on a icy resort up in north. Shitty "Ribbon of death" there,one lift running and ice.
Skis were BD havocs,wich i had small problems to make work on hard underlay when i had naxos on them.
After coulple of runs just to get the touch back after 3months of not skiing, things started to click.
The boots felt very good,no pressurepoints or usuall shit that you have with the new boots.The new tongue was feeling really good, could force the ski with no problems.
The boot felt like a relatively stiff,but light and flimsy (in a positeve way) alpine boot.
2nd Day
Second day was a light 1200m hike with a nice walk on a 35´moraine for the first 800m, then a nice 400m skin/skramble on 5cm snow on the top of that said moraine.
The tongues are way too stiff for hiking.Period.
Thanks to the rocker and vibram the climbing wasnt a total bitch,but the softer tongue will get a go every time there is more walking in the agenda.
In the skinning the boot felt good, no probs.
BTW.The dynafit inserts get clogged really easily by snow and mud, so keeping a tool with you is a must.
A-
Bindings
1st Day
No problems with stepping in and out. Felt suprisingly sturdy when clicked in, just like some alpine binding,if not sturdier. Waaay different feel than the stilts like Freerides and Naxos.Since the binding is so low on the skis, the skis itself felt way stabler and quicker edge to edge than before. No problems charging down that white ribbon of death what so ever.Nice.
2nd Day.
After carrying the planks for the first said 800m´s i learned to apreciate the about 2 kilos saved on the weight. After putting the skins on and clickin in, a second WOW was felt. So daaamn light to skin! So natural stride! Sooooo faaaast. Skinning was from a different planet compared to fritchi/naxo.
Kickbacks were ok,but the pilot had a bit rusty technique...
But.
When finally i got to the skiing part (nice 15cm of crappy slab on a glacier and moraine...) shit started to hit the fan.
First, a stone was lodged in the boots rearinsert that was a real bitch to take off.
Then the next 10 minutes was utter cursing.
The bindings just wouldn lock the heel.
Nope. I cleaned the inserts about 20 times,locked the toe and tried to lock the heel. Nada. Nothing. No locking.
Standing on a 40´ slope with some 30cm of grainy snow on the top of the ice and i just couldnt make a solid enough platform. After frantic kickings i finally met the ice underneath and with jumping up/down on the ice the heel finally clicked.
The skiing itself was so shitty i cant say anything about the bindings on that.But at least no releases or anything.
A (C+)
All in all.
Cant wait to clock in more miles on this combo.
When it is : skinning+skiing = Stiff tongues.
When it is : walking,rockclimbing,rafting,skinning+skiing=Softe r tongues.
Well,the bindings seem to be really difficult to put on anything but a solid,stable platform (unless i have a shitty technicue,wich i know i have... ). Any pointers in that?
Eh?Last edited by Meathelmet; 11-23-2005 at 12:15 PM.
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11-23-2005, 02:57 PM #14Registered User
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I am going to buy a pair of AT-boots shortly and am unsure what to get, but leaning towards Garmonts as they are the only boot I have tried on which fit my narrow feet.. drowned in the scarpas.. I would also love to hear how stiff the new Dynafit Aero FRs are and what kind of volume foot they fit from someone with firsthand knowledge..
I will be touring on dynafit FR 10.0 178cm and would prefer boots compatible with dynafit bindings as I expect that the saved weight will be appreciated when doing the Haute Route this spring.
At the same time I would like to be able to use the same boots on shorter hikes with my freeride mounted Seth Pistol 189cm. The question, then is if a Megaride modified with a stiff tongue is burly enough to drive these skis.
I have a pair of Dalbello Krypton Pros which come with a midflex and a stiff tongue. Has anybody had any experience with modifying AT boots with these tongues? From the look of the pictures posted in this thread they seem to have the same metal attachment clip as the older Flexons.. I would prefer to not have to do any mods as I will be using these tongues when resort skiing..
Also, I wonder about the Megarides flex characteristics. They felt soooo soft when I tried them on (have only skied alpine boots before) and the flex underfoot felt pretty weird. I expect that is no problem when the heel is locked into the binding, but what about the lateral flex which can't be stiffened? How does that affect ski control when edging on icy and hard surfaces?
Thanx for any advice
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11-23-2005, 03:02 PM #15
Meathelmet, the heel should click in real nice and easy once the toes are engaged. Something is seriously wrong with yours; did you get the green springs version at DIN 20 by any chance?
Only other explanation is that your heelpiece is mismounted and offset. Check that the pins slide into the heel without hitting sole.
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11-23-2005, 03:02 PM #16
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11-23-2005, 03:30 PM #17Registered User
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What? You flexed the sole of the boot?
or do you mean the rockered shape? It's supposed to be like that for walking.
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11-23-2005, 03:40 PM #18
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11-23-2005, 03:50 PM #19Originally Posted by Sphinx
They shouldn be offset or anything.
I can click into the bindings on a hard surface no problem, but on a soft surface,the pins go half way in the cavity (just before the widening) and like sponge off.I literally had to jump as hard as i could to lock the heel.
???
Weird?
Has anybody else had problems in soft/deep snow?
I prolly should check that the distance and everything is by the book.
And JLB, i dont think you should have any problems riding a softer ski like SP. Havocs are a bit shorter and narrower (88mm),but way stiffer than seths. And i dont feel that i couldnt the boots with explosivs or gotamas witch i intend to do.Not im.103s though...
But with the original tongue, no way!
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11-23-2005, 03:58 PM #20Registered User
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Thank you for the explanation. But as I mentioned in the earlier post, I'm not so worried about that because of the locking of the heel. But I do wonder about the lateral flex..
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11-23-2005, 04:15 PM #21Originally Posted by Meathelmet
Thanks
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11-24-2005, 02:17 AM #22Originally Posted by nhtele
So check out for the stores that have/has had Raichle in distribution, or check out the local bootfitters/skishops if they happen to have the tongues in the garage. You can find such a unbelievable stuff from the back room...
I just got a vice/bench (designed for ski-jump skis..) for tuning skis for 15€s.
On top of that,i could have had a pair of 260cm ski-jump skis for 20€s...
I was tempted.
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09-13-2011, 07:44 AM #23
bump. i'd love to find a stiff flexon tongue in a mondo 30 size.
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09-13-2011, 07:54 AM #24
fulltilt sells them?
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09-13-2011, 09:41 AM #25Registered User
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would this mod work on a scarpa lazer?
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