50 years to the day

[jono]

If he had said these things about any other group of people in the world is there any doubt he would have been expelled immediately?

Any other group in the world? Any doubt? Yes. Palestinians and/or Hamas. Next up: slap fight over which is more analogous to "Zionist" and who gets to pick definitions. Rinse and repeat.

[MultiVerse]

Next up: slap fight over which is more analogous to "Zionist" and who gets to pick definitions. Rinse and repeat.

An important observation. Focusing on Israel appeals to Western intellectuals because it feels like an idea. Proclaiming genocide in the context of international law serves to deflect any implied anti-semitism or anti-Israel sentiment. It's just meant as neutral application of the law. The intense global focus on Israel alone is noteworthy. Most of the world sees Israelis as the aggressors and Hamas as the victims, despite the indisputable fact the war was bloodily started by Hamas.

The second thing attaching Zionists in the context of war criminals and international tribunals to anything Israel does for security is definitionally establishing an equivalent level of guilt for Jews as the Nazis. Effectively delegitimizing any Israeli military action. One of the most bewildering things about all of this is the fact no other world leader would be doing much of anything different from what Israel is doing now if their country was attacked.

[jono]

Equivalent seems a bit much. I can't recall the Nazis ever suffering any instigative attacks from Jews.

[MultiVerse]

Accusing Israel of genocide is a deliberate attempt to delegitimize its military actions and deny its right to self-defense. This misuse of the term is particularly insidious because it diminishes the historical significance of the Holocaust by equating it with contemporary Israeli military operations. In reality Hamas and not Israel undeniably stands in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention. By definition the convention says “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.” That's quite literally the stated goal of Hamas along with various other Palestinian groups.

[jono]

Quite possibly. These days the main reason people cry "genocide" is to motivate genocide, so skepticism is always warranted. On the other hand, being a victim of genocide can't give any group carte blanche going forward, either.

At the extreme of pedantry we could act like taking the exact same steps against a group that can be defined and identified but is not "national, ethnical, racial or religious" in nature makes it OK. But that would just be another way to deflect.

[MultiVerse]

Agreed. Despite my support for Israel, I've been critical of the current government and want to see Palestinians thrive under a democracy. To wit, the Netanyahu government initially enabled Hamas, negligently left Israel undefended thus opening the door to 10/7, conducted a war without a strategy, and undermined Israel's standing in the world.

The problem with mainstream coverage of Israel however is we don't see the same scrutiny of Palestinian governments. Palestinians are never really taken seriously as agents of their own fate. Palestinians are mostly portrayed as passive victims while Israeli actions are analyzed and criticized under a microscope. The actions of Palestinians are too often beside the point

[summit]

This lie told by Rod has been repeatedly debunked in this thread. There are hundreds of thousands of missing Ukrainian civilians many of them in mass graves seen in satellite photos. In Mariupol alone there are estimates of upwards of 100,000 civilian casualties. Russia has been very blunt and explicit in proclaiming its intentions.

So who is committing genocide? It's China, Russia, and Iran. Yet folks like Rod & Leroy believe Israel is uniquely evil despite the Gaza health administration recently admitting it exaggerated civilian deaths by 10,000 out of Rod's 30,000. And around half of those now reported 20,000 deaths are Hamas terrorists. Few other countries have managed such a low ratio of militants to civilians in an urban environment.

Every human life is precious and every violent death a tragedy. That doesn't change the fact charges of genocide emerged before Israel even responded to Hamas' intentional genocidal Einsatzgruppen documented in real time with GoPros. Accusations of Israeli genocide against Palestinians went mainstream before the IDF entered Gaza.

If leroy and Rod applied their improbable invented claims of genocide equally not just to Israel, then there would be no military action anywhere that couldn't be called genocide. When it comes to discussing Israel’s actions in war and peace, the world creates new meaning for existing words, and simply invents others.


https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04...casualty-data/

This post is worth re-reading. It should be stickied.

[highangle]

Equivalent seems a bit much. I can't recall the Nazis ever suffering any instigative attacks from Jews.

Nonetheless that attribution is still a lie. And you can go back to leroid jenkum's first or second post itt where he casually accuses Israel of "Genocide"...Excellent market penetration by Iranian Palestine, but admittedly they're benefiting from centuries of groundwork and an audience inculcated with irrational intolerance.

[jono]

Leroy has a thread.

[teleee]

Leroy has a thread.

Yea if you ignore him he will go away. He just goes around from thread to thread trying to stir up an argument, his sole purpose here.


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[summit]

[riser4]

I quoted leroy directly in the post above. In various gun discussions over the years leroy fantasized about fighting a civil war in America. Fighting tyranny and all that.... leroy also laughably argues all anyone needs to defeat the Russian or American army is small arms.



Quoting leroy again lying about Israel trying to erase all Palestinians: "The steps israel is taking, are mostly to make sure thereare no more palestinians. If there are no more palestinians, you can't violate their rights. " as well as "Israelis, are largely supporting genocide."

One of the side of effects of leroys's Rohypnol abuse is he can't remember one post from the next.

Roofie is a hell of a drug! Because he's LeRoy Jenkins, bitch!

[RoooR]

If Israel is trying to get rid of all Palestinians they're not being very effective:
https://www.worldometers.info/world-...ne-population/

[leroy jenkins]

Accusing Israel of genocide is a deliberate attempt to delegitimize its military actions and deny its right to self-defense. This misuse of the term is particularly insidious because it diminishes the historical significance of the Holocaust by equating it with contemporary Israeli military operations. In reality Hamas and not Israel undeniably stands in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention. By definition the convention says “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.” That's quite literally the stated goal of Hamas along with various other Palestinian groups.

So because hamas is bad, israel is beyond reproach? Thats what you're saying? Hardly an original point inthis thread, just trying to accurately paraphrase.

[MultiVerse]

You know, you really are a strange cocktail of inbreeding and Type II Diabetes

[leroy jenkins]

I quoted leroy directly in the post above. In various gun discussions over the years leroy fantasized about fighting a civil war in America. Fighting tyranny and all that.... leroy also laughably argues all anyone needs to defeat the Russian or American army is small arms.



Quoting leroy again lying about Israel trying to erase all Palestinians: "The steps israel is taking, are mostly to make sure thereare no more palestinians. If there are no more palestinians, you can't violate their rights. " as well as "Israelis, are largely supporting genocide."

One of the side of effects of leroys's Rohypnol abuse is he can't remember one post from the next.

Your quotes don't answer my questions. I asked when I said israel was uniquely bad and ignored things china etc are doing. Thenyou quote my admitted use of hyperbole, as if it has anything to do with china etc at all, or stated israel is uniquely evil. Your mention of china is literally just whataboutism. We can talk about china, but well, what about israel?

Andyea, the israeli state is supporting the erasure of the palestinian state and ethnicity. When did I say israel is uniquly evil or show a desire to ignore china? Having memory problems or reading comprehension problems or just perception of reality problems?


Also, can youfind a quote where i have done this supposed fantasizing about violence? Unlike most ofyou fucks, you won't find a single bloodthirsy post of mine celebrating violence of any sort. You won't find a single post of mine drooling over warporn or celebrating violence of any sort. I do not think I can say the same about most ofyou.

SO again, you gaslighting fuckstain, find quotes where I fantasize about violence, or say israel is uniquely evil.

I'm waiting.



You won't find them, because you are remembering the strawman you created, not actual statements I have made.

[MultiVerse]

Actual statements accurately quoted. On a positive note, tho. At least with all that Rohypnol in your system there are no bad memories.

[Cisco Kid]

Damn you are a very demanding prick. "You'll get nothing and like it" -Caddy Shack

[leroy jenkins]

Yea if you ignore him he will go away. He just goes around from thread to thread trying to stir up an argument, his sole purpose here.


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Ehh, sometimes I think I have a pretty good point which you guys just aren't capable of adressing and feel theneed to turn into a strawman in order tocope with reality.

thats a lot different than trolling.




LIke in the anti gun thread, buncha biutchass cucks acuse me of entitled narcism because i felt i had an expectation to demande cisco kid make his statemnt that he wants cops to go door to door and confiscate guns to make a basic amoutn of sense like an adult and not an angry child throwing a tantrum. Mainly, that he say just WHO is going to do this door kicking as cops are getting harder and harderto find enough to fill departments, and cisco is too much of a bitch to do it himself.


but oh yea its alll my entitlement. Expecting someone to justify a comment supporting state sponsored violence against a majority of americans is just thepeak of entitlement no?





You'd probably make me go away by providing actual rebuttals to my points.

[leroy jenkins]

You know, you really are a strange cocktail of inbreeding and Type II Diabetes

So, no actual rebuttal?

[MultiVerse]

Sad face emoticon Can you feel the pain through our screen?

[leroy jenkins]

Damn you are a very demanding prick. "You'll get nothing and like it" -Caddy Shack

hahahahah, yea. You're the one who says things in support of state sponsored violence on the majority of Americans and dont' even have the backbone to say just who it is you plane on doing the door kicking you cuck.

Are you going to volunteer? Nah you're too busy watching your whore of a wife spread herpes from your hiding spot in the closet.

[Cisco Kid]

How about "None that hasn't already been expressed a few times already." Look it up

[leroy jenkins]

Sad face emoticon Can you feel the pain through our screen?

I feel the desperation. its coming across really clearly.

[MultiVerse]

That’s what I call juxtaposition