Extended Stay Meth-America

[natty dread]

Further proof that the only good cops are the ones pushing up the fucking daisies.

edit: not worth it

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[extreeski]

Not all cops are bad people.


Can that little cop sniffer machine smell weed?

[kchri]

cool--where can i get one

Portable Gas Detector

I can get you a discount if you really want one...

These are the most effective at detecting weed...

[powndnstein]

wow, strong opinions, heavy banter, food for thought, on this freezing morning waiting for the winds to subside and the next storm to arrive. it is a harsh, cruel, world out there away from the virgin snow that lies in powder filled chutes and vast open bowls right there at your feet like wild animals who know your scent and welcome you to their world, the world of nature in winter where brotherhood is thick, thick as the forest.

[Trackhead]

Truth,

Remember you were talking about taking stuff out of context? What does the fact that I like ski touring have to do with elitism? Got a bone to pick, don't you? Now we're on to character assassination?

Class act, I would expect no less from you now.

And by the way, Flykdog isn't a cop, he's a fire guy.

[jibij]

Further proof that the only good cops are the ones pushing up the fucking daisies.

Just when I'm convinced that the idiot bar can't be raised any higher in this place somebody steps up to the plate to notch it up again.

[bryanthebold]

So...I read this thread last night after getting mind fucked by a kung fo movie straight from...Asia? After that joint or two I wasn't all that competent when it came to actually writing a response, but now I am okay. Here is my two cents.

To me it seems like sometimes Utah officers tend to go overboard on their bust. Example being the raves they busted up. I understand the raves where filled with drugs, and kids high on ecstasy, but really...did that warrant the actions they were taking? Throwing the raver kids on the ground and arresting everyone in sight? And I don't know about you, but a kid high on ecstasy is something I am not too afraid off. Regardless...It just seemed like they went a little overboard on their bust.

In the case of raiding the motel. I think they had every right to have to evacuate your room. Meth labs are extremely dangerous, and the fumes can cause respiratory problems or explode. To say the least they were doing a good thing evacuating the building. They were looking out for your safety. Again though...they may have gone overboard, pointing their guns, and acting like "thugs." I don't understand really how busting into the motel and doing things like that would really help the situation. I feel it would have been safer and more efficient to quietly inform guest of the situation and get people out maybe one room at a time on each floor. If a cop, or firefighter came to my room and quietly and informed me of the potentially dangerous situation I would grab a jacket and move quickly and quietly. So I guess you could say I agree that they may have gone overboard, but I still think they had the right to evacuate the building based on safety hazards.

I have herd quite frequently about Utah cops over stepping their bounds. I had a friend who was assaulted by a police officer, who after the case, lost his job. I have seen Salt Lake County Sheriffs officers harasses my friends who were throwing down some beers and having a campfire, and where they were underage, they gave the officers no lib or shit, and were cooporating fine, yet the cops were rude. Given all of this, I still have a lot of respect for police officers. I think that one cop can give the rest of the cops bad reputations, and ruin how people really think about them. I have met many nice cops in my day, and I am grateful for their contribution towards society. In Utah we may have a slight problem, but all in all, it can be changed with enough support, and to think they are all bad because of this...its ludicrous.

[Trackhead]

My puppet master told me I need to go be on the uptrack, plugging away mindlessly, like the apparent facist that I am. Perhaps Truth, when you're body is able, a little "uptrack" might help calm you down a little. Help you find a little "Truth".

Thanks for helping me find my "Inner Truth", Truth. Now I know my inner calling and meaning in life.

BTW, My salary isn't paid by taxes.

[Anxious Mo-Fo]

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit eh?

Hey, you used that same comeback against me in an earlier thread. I want my money back.

[truth]

And by the way, Flykdog isn't a cop, he's a fire guy.

Which was exactly my point. It's the gun and badge that brings out mans worst traits, though the frock is close second. Does this mean that all cops are bad bad men? No, it just means I don't believe there are any good cops. There is a distinction, at least in my mind.

No uptrack on earth will sway my views on these topics D.

[benzoned]

It's the gun and badge that brings out mans worst traits, though the frock is close second. Does this mean that all cops are bad bad men? No, it just means I don't believe there are any good cops. There is a distinction, at least in my mind.
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So hypothetically if someone shot you, you'd be ok with that?
Or would you take the law into your own hands ala Iraq?

Some of the stuff in your posts is pretty good. I just didn't argree with cops stuff. Some are good and some are bad, just like everything else.

[skibe]

Which was exactly my point. It's the gun and badge that brings out mans worst traits, though the frock is close second. Does this mean that all cops are bad bad men? No, it just means I don't believe there are any good cops. There is a distinction, at least in my mind.

No uptrack on earth will sway my views on these topics D.

I can't believe you're still talking. You might be the biggest idiot I have ever encountered on the internet! And to think I was gonna support your new venture with MD9. Take your shirts and shove em up your ass cause you wont get a dime from me.

[truth]

I can't believe you're still talking. You might be the biggest idiot I have ever encountered on the internet! And to think I was gonna support your new venture with MD9. Take your shirts and shove em up your ass cause you wont get a dime from me.

Good for you.

[Trackhead]

No, it just means I don't believe there are any good cops. There is a distinction, at least in my mind.

No uptrack on earth will sway my views on these topics D.

You should consider spending one or two nights a month, riding along with a cop, just so you can see it from their eyes. See what they see, see the crap folks they deal with on an hourly basis. Then re-evaluate your opinion and come back here and post it. Be a 'free thinker' and atleast try to see things from their point of view, like you have told several of us here to do.

Post a TR on that experience, then go find an uptrack when your achilles is strong and hammer out some angst, works for me. But use a tall heel lifter until you get your full range of motion back.

[truth]

So hypothetically if someone shot you, you'd be ok with that?
Or would you take the law into your own hands ala Iraq?

Some of the stuff in your posts is pretty good. I just didn't argree with cops stuff. Some are good and some are bad, just like everything else.

I'd rather not get shot, but I don't believe the police are the ones preventing that. Hell the only ones the police (or legislation) prevent from shooting anyone are potential legal hand gun owners. Here in Chciago there's no such thing as a legal hand gun owner and yet people are still being shot with them every single day.

Clearly there is something wrong with the laws and the way they are enforced. The police are only involved expos facto, so after I got shot they might show up and then go and not find the shooter for 3 years. The threat of proscecution just does not deter those it was intended to from committing heinous acts. It's simply not a working system and having hundreds of thousands of armed and badged people running around our country enforcing laws they barely understand is terrifying.

Would I be inclined to take the law into my own hands? Absofuckinglutely. The foundation of this country is revolution and when we allowed that right to be taken away by the govt. we all paid a price. I'd argue that the puritanical views we blindly subscribe to in regards to drug legalization, prostituion and gambling are the very genesis of the criminals we now hire police to chase.

The prison system in this country is not means to reforming behavioral issues, rather it's a training ground for crimnal activity. The more people we lock up for minor violations the more hardcore criminals we breed and return to the streets when their short sentences run out. It's a self perpetuating dilemna. Stop the insanity!

[truth]

You should consider spending one or two nights a month, riding along with a cop, just so you can see it from their eyes. See what they see, see the crap folks they deal with on an hourly basis. Then re-evaluate your opinion and come back here and post it. Be a 'free thinker' and atleast try to see things from their point of view, like you have told several of us here to do.

BTDT in college...and most of the issues did not require the use of guns. Ironically, most of the issues were the result of alcohol which is legal in every state. How rare is a non-alcohol related domestic issue?

Post a TR on that experience, then go find an uptrack when your achilles is strong and hammer out some angst, works for me. But use a tall heel lifter until you get your full range of motion back.

Believe me, as soon as that is a possiblity it'll happen. Until then long spinner sessions will suffice. The angst is good. It keeps me from becoming complacent and numb, if it boils over from time to time and pisses some people off so be it. It makes things interesting. I'd wager I effect more positive than negative in my life, this just hits right at the core of what I despise about the society we live in. The land of the free...maybe someday that'll be true. Until then I'll keep banging the pots together in the wee hours of the night.

[skifishbum]

TWEEKERS SUCK

[Trackhead]

BTDT in college...and most of the issues did not require the use of guns.

It only takes one 'issue' to get whacked. How is a cop supposed to know when that 'issue' is staring him/her in the face? People are too unpredictable. Would you bet your life on it, and keep your gun (hypothetical) in it's holster? Or would you take two to the chest and just say oops?

[truth]

It only takes one 'issue' to get whacked. How is a cop supposed to know when that 'issue' is staring him/her in the face? People are too unpredictable. Would you bet your life on it, and keep your gun (hypothetical) in it's holster? Or would you take two to the chest and just say oops?

Good question. I'd argue that the issue we ned to examine is why does the cop even need to make that distinction. If we could focus on the real causes and not the symptoms we might be getting somewhere as a culture.

As BE said in an earlier post America is the most successful social experiment on the planet (well let's just say it is). As such is it reasonable to accept a culture that breeds such discontent that a constant blanket of armed forces are required to quell the uprising? Is it rational to accept this as an acceptable policy? Is it the best solution or just the easiest or does it simply maintain the status quo in regards to the balance of power? How long before we have a minority controlling the majority via force? When do we as a country become everything we pretend to fight against? What if we removed firearms for the police arsneal? Would all the cops quit? Would that force the govt. to actually solve the underlying causes of criminal behavior?

I don't know, but I'd sure like to find out.

[Trackhead]

If we could focus on the real causes and not the symptoms we might be getting somewhere as a culture.

Our country doesn't work that way. Take a look at healthcare, my place of work.

We are an instant gratification society. That's why we get a Gastric Bypass to lose weight, instead of lifestyle change with exercise and diet. That's why we pig out, raise our cholesterol, then go get the triple cardiac bypass. That's why Phen-fen was so popular, and all that drug did was kill people as they lost weight.

Same could be applied to incarceration. Commit the crime, do the time. Off ya go. See, we agree on something.

The holistic approach would be nice, but I don't see our society taking that approach any time in the future.

[assgasorgrass]

Ha Ha. A similiar thing happened to us in Ogden last year. Super 8, I think it was. They had DIY waffles mmmm waffles. Anyway, early in the morning we hear a commotion in the hallway, some banging on the walls, very loud voices. I get up and look out the peep hole, couldn't see anything. Open the door and a cop comes from my right and aggressively tells me to get back in my room. I did. They popped somebody, but went the other way as they didn't walk in front of the peep hole. Scary shit. Luckily no gunshots. Asked the lady at the counter in morning what went down and she said she couldn't talk about it. Did I mention the waffles?

[truth]

t.

.See, we agree on something.

The holistic approach would be nice, but I don't see our society taking that approach any time in the future.

I'd wager we agree on more than a few things, but until the tide turns I'll keep raging. It's my civic duty.

As far as healthcare...well, one could tie in to the larger equation by saying that the lack of a national healthcare plan is yet another symptom of a flawed system of govt. If the govt. really wanted to take care of it's citizens this would seem to be the first place it would start. Instead, corporate America holds the reigns to people's health. One more example of the minority controlling the majority. Would a national healthcare paln reduce gun violence and thus the need for police forces the likes of which we endure today? Let's look around the world for other examples. Canada has it and seems a much less violent society, what about the socialist medicine in the northeren european nations? I don't know.

[jibij]

until the tide turns I'll keep raging. It's my civic duty.

Focus your rage then. The key to creating change is knowing how to channel your passion and having the ability to communicate your position to people who can affect that change. Spewing some of the crap you've spewed only incites anger and makes you appear narrow-minded and fanatical. Not that you give a shit, but it'll be difficult for me to ever take you serious again.

[summit]

I stayed at an extended stay once. They charged my card daily. It maxed and they locked my room. I called the CC company and they said they just resset the card and it could be charged. Went back to the extended stay and the person at the desk refused to charge my card, refused to call the manager, refused to unlock the room. I had to stay somewhere else! The next day I had it out for the manager and he refused to unlock the room until I had paid for the previous day AND THE DAY I WAS LOCKED OUT BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO TAKE MY MONEY! If I wasn't in such a hurry I would have called the cops on them but I had a plane to catch.

They are crooked bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[truth]

Focus your rage then. The key to creating change is knowing how to channel your passion and having the ability to communicate your position to people who can affect that change. Spewing some of the crap you've spewed only incites anger and makes you appear narrow-minded and fanatical. Not that you give a shit, but it'll be difficult for me to ever take you serious again.

Well then we both lose. Snippets of scattered barbs and retorts posted here can be a double edged sword. Those that are unwilling to follow the dialouge through to it's natural end rush off without the whole picture. I choose to engage wholeheartedly in the discourse, ingiting, inciting and forcing provactive discussion. To me that's interesting and healthy. For some it might be too much but that's the risk. I'm ok with that.