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12-07-2005, 05:15 PM #1
Recommended Skis & Bindings List
THIS THREAD IS NOW BEING UPDATED HERE
RELATIVE FLEXES:
9 - titan pro / Squad / supa stiff bros (270)
8 - LP / Monster / explosiv / dp #3 / capital stiffs (260)
7 - big daddy / stockli dp (250)
6 - ANT / extra stiff kingswood / stiff bros
5 - mantra / ak swallowtail / dp #2 (240)
4 - gotama / soft bros / reg. kingswood (230)
3 - yellow ak rockets / sugar daddy ?
2 - PR / lawnchair (200 or less)
1 - sanouk/made'n
0 - green ak rockets
also, HERE is a pretty rad ski flex chart too
CUSTOM SKIS:
I highly recommended gettin a nicer, more durable, better made, slightly more expensive ski - so worth it in the long run
dp skis (80-138mm) - so light, so powerful, so sick. get a pair. www.dpskis.com
igneous (88-118mm) - fat shapes & custom flex. legendary. so worth it. www.igneousskis.com
kingswood (86-146mm) - custom fat twins from NZ www.kingswoodskis.com
birdos (102-137mm) - be that cool guy with the new shit! out of Switzerland www.birdos.com
capital (92-162mm) - tons of shapes and custom flexes put out of BC www.capitalskis.com
PM GEAR (99-???) - bro model = classic everyday ski. more to come??? www.pmgearusa.com
STIFFER EVERYDAY SKIS:
dynastar legend pro (97mm-109mm) - not the fattest, but they rip. the XXL has a farily soft tail.
volkl mantra (94mm) - shaplier version of the explosiv wizards, lots of sidecut
blizzard titan pro (95mm) - long and stiff. they rule for charging hard.
stockli stormriders (88-94mm) - as well made as anything out there.
pmgear bros (99mm) - support you maggot bros. stiff and supa stiff options...
ak king salmon (94mm) - super bomber. the comp ski of choice. 180cm only.
Igneous FFL (98mm) - perfect everday ski for anywhere w/ more than 250" per year
dp wailer (95-105mm) - light, powerful, responsive. progressive shovel.
rossi squad (100-104mm) - 189 & 194 are BURL. expensive. rip.
STIFFER EVERYDAY TWINS:
4frnt MSP (90mm) - pretty fat, fairly stiff all mountain twin. for a fat twin, they'll still hold an edge
Head Mojo (90-105mm) - all mountian twin. med to siffish flex. the new 105 is NOT TORSIONALLY STIFF AT ALL.
prior original (90-102mm) - nice shape, moderate twin, can do med & stiff versions. handmade.
armada ant (106mm) - skis short. lots of camber. pretty stiff.
volkl karma (87mm) - nice stiff twintip. good bump ski.
K2 PE (85mm) - Feels very dead in park but its a solid ski for all mtn
SOFTER EVERYDAY SKIS:
rossi b4 (95mm) - not the fattest, not the stiffest, but great skis for lighter folks
salomon ak swallowtail (95mm) - new 05-06 have wood! i personally love these things
salomon sandstorm (101mm) - ripper. stiffer, flattail version of the s-lab gun (187cm)
prior doughboy (103-107mm) - ski. big old shovel. look pretty rad.
atomic sugar daddy (99mm) - pretty soft. light. make killer AT setups.
dynastar big/lbf/inspired (88mm) - great in shorter lengths for the GF
Phat Love (90mm) - the ski of choice for the GF
k2 apache chief (98mm) - i hate 'em but others like 'em. stiffer than a pistol, no twin.
bros (99mm) - the soft flex are about as light as anything in the size...
blizzard titan 9 (86-92mm) - nice medium flex. good a/m ski.
SOFTER EVERYDAY TWINS:
k2 seth (95-98mm) - mount 'em forward a bit for A/M
k2 maiden (108mm)- SOFT. FAT. FUN.
volkl gotama (105mm) - not too soft, not too stiff. great everyday ski for lightweights. skis short.
salomon s-lab gun (101mm) - wish the PR was stiffer, fatter and longer? here you go
Salomon Foil (87mm) - another twin thats good for everything, particularly carving all mtn
FAT SKIS:
igneous FFF (118mm) - possiblly the best traditional shaped pow ski ever made. go fast, go big.
dp lotus (120-138mm) - the best progressive pow skis on the market. smears turns as well as they rail and huck
volkl sumo (120mm) - fat twins with a more traditional shape. the 190's are fairly stiff, 175's are fairly soft.
big daddy (125mm) - sweet skis. nice flex, too bad they are made with atomic cap/edges
atomic Thug (120mm) - 190cm twin. too much tail for aggresive big mountain lines (IMHO).
sanouk (110mm) - very soft swallowtail.
crystal ship (115mm) - kinda silly. better off with icelantics
icelantic (115mm) - 161cm 115mm: tight tree ski = $$$ on the EC. pretty stiff.
praxxis POW (136mm) - basically a refined (lighter, wider) spatula. nicely made.
4frnt EHP (112mm) - bomber bases, rail well, ski fast. slay it.
CLASSIC SKIS: hard to find, but worth it if you can
atomic big daddy (107mm) - they rock, and are way easier to ski than you think
kneissl tanker (93mm) - basically they rule. low profile tip. they ski like a fat GS ski.
volkl explosiv (95mm) - the classic. not as stiff as you think.
volkl g4/40/41/ax4 (83mm) - classic. ski the 198 of you dare. perfect everyday ski.
spatulas (125mm) - yes they are as fun as you think
Atomic Powder Plus (110-115mm) - the ski that started it all. fat and stiff.
Rossi Axiom (110mm) - fat and stiff. straight sidecut. 183. foam or wood core. heavy.
Nordica W105/9.1FF (105mm) - super hard to find. they rip. buy 'em if you can find 'em
head monster/supermojo (103mm) - requires a strong pilot. but if you got the balls, they do too
volkl snowrangers (79mm) - classic. great bumpski, rock ski, billygoat ski
dynastar flame bigs/arnos (80mm) - classic. ditto the above
k2 extreme/TNC/MSL - if you don't know...
SKINNY/EC/EVERYDAY SKIS:
stockli stormrider XL (75mm) - the best skinny a/m ski out there, IMVHO
head monster (82-88mm) - pretty stiff, ripping everyday skis w/ a bit of sidecut.
ak no ka oi (83mm) - super well made mid-fat. nice shape.
PARK SKIS: (courtesy of skibackwards)
K2 Fujative - very soft park specific
Volkl Dogen - soft all over no hinge points
armada T-Hall Pro - alot like fujative. RIP tanner
4FRNT STL - pretty stiff compared to others skis. pretty good all mtn
Armada AR5 - Good all mountain and in the park
Salomon Foil - another ski thats good for everything, particularly carving all mtn
TOURING SKIS:
PM Gear Bros - get the 179 soft flex. super light, nice round flex.
trab freerando - tour it up, euro-boy
Voile Carbon surf - pretty darn soft, but light and fat. a classic.
Dynafit 10.0 - dimension of the Carbon Surf, snappiness of the Trab Freerando and light
r:ex - edges tend to crack, but they are awesome touring skis.
CMH explosiv - the cheap stiff touring ski of choice.
k2 lawnchair - the cheap soft touring ski of choice.
k2 shuksan - the ski mountaineering choice.
line mothership/karhu jak - light and fat. what more do you want?
ALPINE BINDINGS:
look/rossi p12/14 - develop play in the heel very quickly. brakes don' bend well. sux w/ trekkers
look tt09 - find 'em on ebay or play it again. sweet oldschool bindings vert release. sux w/ trekkers
look p18/zrs/rossi fks/pro - great light comp bindings , suck w/ trekkers. bending brakes sucks.
salomon s900/912/914 - locktite the toe wings if they some loose. 900s have metal heels and the best AFD.
salomon 997/977 - get the 14DIN equipes. best oldschool binding out there...
salomon s916/920 - for huckers, they are the way to go. easy to bend brakes.
tyrolia dx9/mojo15/fisher??? - lighter than race stock, burlier than retail, cheap too - HOWEVER: the toe is NOT torsionally rigid.
atomic 1018 - HEAVY AS HELL, but: move back/forward, can lock vert release, fatty brakes
TOURING BINDINGS:
Naxo 01 - durabuility issues on 1st gen. later model good for most people
naxo 13DIN - not as tall as the fritschi and stiffer. looks like the leader
fritschi Freeride - really tall stack. tele mode on soft skis. lots of heel settings. not torsionally stiff .
Fritschi FR plus - still really tall, but MUCH more torsionally stiff.
dynafit - LIGHT. skis like an alpine binding. 10DIN only... dont let it clog w. snow (PAM)
TELE BINDINGS: (thanks lemon boy & homejay & hop)
Linkens - step in, neutral, durability probs w/ toebar, snow buildup in wet snow
Bombers - bomber, heavy, expensive, adjustable active/neutral
R8's - relatively active, relatively solid, relatively cheap, no frills just performance
Hammerheads - highly adjustable from very active to very neutral in theory but a pain in the field
UTBs - 10 point crampon, semi step in, sweet heel lifter, expensive, between R8 & Linken active
G3 - relatively neutral, somewhat less durable, somewhat sloppier than others, relatively cheap
Voile Hardwire - similar to G3 - neutral - with rigid rods instead of cables - cheap & light.
3-pin hardwire - more active flex than reg. hardwire, for uphill freedom and reduncancy incase wires/cartriges break.
7TM - releaseable, available more active or tour friendly or active AND tour friendly
SKINS:
BD ascensions - WINNER great material, but clipfix sucks balls, go STS for sure.
bd glidelite - tail clip works well, but they tend to freeze up, and absorb h20
g3 - 2nd place. i'd go ascension if everything else is equal
BOOTS:
GO TO A FUCKING BOOT FITTER AND GET WHAT FITS.
read mntlion's postHERE:
if it don't fit your foot properly, it won't ski properly.
NOT RECOMMENDED:
atomic powder ride/powder cruise/heli star - delam machines. stay away
markers - just in general. they get slandered pretty hard around here.
fisher big stix - issues with delam and fragile edges.
silvretta pure freeride - negative ramp angle = bad skiing
THIS THREAD IS NOW BEING UPDATED HERELast edited by marshalolson; 06-19-2007 at 08:59 AM.
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12-07-2005, 05:19 PM #2
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12-07-2005, 05:29 PM #3Registered User
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Monster 103?
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12-07-2005, 05:37 PM #4
Wouldn't really call the Prior a Jib ski except maybe in the short (under 181)lengths....
Martha's just polishing the brass on the Titanic....
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12-07-2005, 05:42 PM #5
Oh, and if you're gonna mention the Extreme, you gotta slash it with the TNC. Show some love for the black machines.
btw, great idea!"Have fun, get a flyrod, and give the worm dunkers the finger when you start double hauling." ~Lumpy
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12-07-2005, 05:43 PM #6Banned
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4Frnt MSP/MSP SM?
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12-07-2005, 06:16 PM #7Killingtime
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Marshall,
What about 190 Nordica W9.1FF/W105s?
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12-07-2005, 06:24 PM #8
Fatypus in quiver skis.
Old's Cool.
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12-07-2005, 06:43 PM #9
maybe im85's in the 'skinny tanks' category
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12-07-2005, 06:47 PM #10Registered User
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How bout Rossi XXXXs in the "Huge skis that do not exist category"
"I dont hike.... my legs are too heavy"
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12-07-2005, 06:57 PM #11Originally Posted by marshalolson
Freeride vs Naxo real differences: Naxo has a full alpine toe and ergonomic pivot point, Fritchi has more heel elevator settings for steep skin tracks.Originally Posted by blurred
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12-07-2005, 07:26 PM #12Of the Bu-Tang Clan
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AK NoKaOi and Volkl Karma under skinny and AK King Salmon under stiff?
Not recommended for Markers?
Otherwise nicely compiled list...
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12-07-2005, 07:34 PM #13Originally Posted by joshbuOriginally Posted by blurred
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12-07-2005, 07:41 PM #14
Not only are the Fisher 106s heavy, but both pairs I've had were the least durable skis I've ever owned.
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow, what a Ride!"
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12-07-2005, 11:53 PM #15Killingtime
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Marshal,
there still are some 190 FF/W105s out there! {most current owners "excluding the ones on this site" don't realize what they have! So far this fall I have spotted 3 pairs for sale..... I personally picked up a pair of brand new FFs earlier this season.
After having a few days on them/ they fucking rule!!!! by far one of the best skis I have ever been on.
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12-08-2005, 07:06 AM #16Registered User
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How about adding recommended boots? I know it all comes down to the actual fit, but it wouldn't hurt to have a list of good boots to start from.
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12-08-2005, 07:16 AM #17
Great job. Thanks for doing this for the community.
I ski because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things.
"This deep snow makes my skis stupid!"
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12-08-2005, 07:29 AM #18
Nice job;
Note 1;
DP Lotus 120 should definately be amongst the quiver skis (and maybe Lotus 138 too).
Note 2;
k2 apache chief could be added to soft fatties,
Note 3;
This years m103 has A LOT softer tips and tails than previous versions. Have only flexed them, but I imagine they will be a lot more managable than previous versions.All work and no play, ... you know...
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12-08-2005, 09:03 AM #19
Sweet post Marshal...
On the skin front, while clipfix sucks ass, the STS tails seem to work pretty well (so far at least)."It is not the result that counts! It is not the result but the spirit! Not what - but how. Not what has been attained - but at what price.
- A. Solzhenitsyn
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12-08-2005, 10:38 AM #20Originally Posted by marshalolson
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12-08-2005, 10:42 AM #21
did you just add the req for tele stuff?
regardless...
bindings:
Linkens (the de facto offical mag binding)
Bombers (they are)
R8s (a mag's spancer)
Hammerheads (much as I don't give a shit for cable bindings I'm sure they're fine)
UTB (crampons? sweet)
The ski front...well my list looks a lot like your stiff fatty list so it should be okay to just call those good"It is not the result that counts! It is not the result but the spirit! Not what - but how. Not what has been attained - but at what price.
- A. Solzhenitsyn
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12-08-2005, 10:57 AM #22The Shred Pirate Roberts
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marshal=creator of great threads.
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12-08-2005, 11:02 AM #23
Marshal- Sorry man, I wouldn't know. IMVHO they're always too soft and/or too short and/or too skinny for real consideration. The only "telemark specific" skis I'd be even sort of tempted to ski are Hippies and teledaddy's, both of which = resheeted alpine skis. I think that hippies/pistols are a fun tele ski, no 1st hand on TDs but just extrapolating from my BDs which are truly great telemarkin skis.
I was gonna suggest adding an * as a tele endorsement for skis already on your list and then decided that it'd be silly to put *'s next to every ski."It is not the result that counts! It is not the result but the spirit! Not what - but how. Not what has been attained - but at what price.
- A. Solzhenitsyn
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12-08-2005, 11:04 AM #24Originally Posted by marshalolson
Voile Hardwire (similar to G3 with rigid rods instead of cables)
3-pin hardwire, more active flex than reg. hardwire, yet 3-pins for uphill touring freedom and reduncancy incase wires/cartriges break.
edit- and MOST people like to tele on skis shorter and softer than what they'd alpine on.Last edited by homerjay; 12-08-2005 at 11:07 AM.
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12-08-2005, 11:21 AM #25
Move Phantom Crystal Ships to "Quiver Skis"
Its the EC equivalent of a big fat pow ski.
If it hasn't snowed in a while and there are no freshies, I really can't see using it.
Oh, and add "super short" to the description.. . .
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