Fischer Kehua vs. 4FRNT MSP (SM)

**FNG** · 07-25-2005, 12:21 AM

Yeah, so it's summertime, and to pass the time I've been oogling '06 skis. I've narrowed it down to two. The Fischer Kehua and the 4FRNT MSP & MSP Supermodel.

Fischer Kehua
177cm
Sandwich wood core carbon laminate.
$600
127-92-115 (20m)

4FRNT MSP
180cm
Sandwich wood core glass laminate.
$600
122-92-108 (25m)

4FRNT MSP Supermodel
180cm
Sandwich wood core, stiffer than regular MSP
$800
122-92-108 (25m)

About me: 5'9" 150lbs. I ski agressively with okay technique, but no racing experience or anything. In bounds, I like a lot of mid range to GS length turns at fast speeds on dynamic pitched goomer runs. Out of bounds I like wide open bowls, smallish cliff hucks, and the occasional chute. Haven't done much tree skiing, though it looks fun. Don't hit the park often either. Oh, and fuck moguls. Nothing out there about the Kehua. Lots of "I love 'em" one-liner posts and a good review post about the MSP's. Nod goes to the Kehua's on graphics in a close race.

Thoughts?

**Arty50** · 07-25-2005, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by FNG

Fischer Kehua
127-92-115 (20m)

That's a shitload of sidecut. No thanks.

**FNG** · 07-25-2005, 01:35 AM

I live in Minnesota. I don't straight-line 60 degree no-fall avy chutes. I like sidecut.

**verbier61** · 07-25-2005, 03:12 AM

BRO. Or, considering you're in minnesota, Stockli stormrider, dp or even xl. They ski much better in the conditions you mentioned than any fisher or 4front. Or maybe mantras, but honestly I've never tried 'em

**iriponsnow** · 07-25-2005, 04:33 AM

Ive skied a number of fish-heads over the past 4 seasons....if you can power them: go for it! Any ski can skid or be stomped/hopped, what makes the fischers a little dif. is that they are side-side stiff enough that they can turn like a champ when you need em.
The one issue I have w/ them is that you should really try them or speak w/ someone who knows there chit about that model, I've tested them & loved them in the right length. one size too large,& your struggling...(imho as a 140lbs-er).. they tend not to be a noodle for us lite weights

**FNG** · 07-25-2005, 05:19 AM

Unfortunately, 188cm is way too long for me. If a shorter version of the Bro becomes a reality this year and I can get one in a timely manner, then they'll be in consideration too.

**verbier61** · 07-25-2005, 07:39 AM

here's your deal:
http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...sPageName=WD2V

**Arty50** · 07-25-2005, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by FNG

I live in Minnesota. I don't straight-line 60 degree no-fall avy chutes. I like sidecut.

Once is Enough isn't a no fall chute. Believe me, I know.

**runethechamp** · 07-25-2005, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Arty50

Once is Enough isn't a no fall chute. Believe me, I know.

Ahem, I do too

**Vicious** · 07-25-2005, 10:01 AM

My opinion: MSPs ski like shit and the Supermodels are a waste of money. I haven't ridden many Fish's, so can't help you there, but stay away from the 4frnts.

**Lineskier-101** · 07-25-2005, 10:36 AM

Vicious is the only person I've heard, that doesn't love his MSP's. Don't base your entire summary of a ski on one review. The supermodels, are going to be sup stiff.

**Laps** · 07-25-2005, 12:38 PM

I saw a Fischer guy on the Kehuas out in Vail, He loved them. He was an eastern guy, loved skiing trees and quick turns. In short, he really liked them. I would go with fischers over MSPs, but that is my opinion.

**m1e448** · 07-25-2005, 08:33 PM

$200 for stiffer skis? You've got to be kidding me. If that the only difference its a rip off? Why you looking at twins if you don't like the park?

**BakerBoy** · 07-25-2005, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by powwrangler

$200 for stiffer skis? You've got to be kidding me. If that the only difference its a rip off? Why you looking at twins if you don't like the park?

Give me ONE good, legit reason why not only every ski shouldn't be a twin, but especially a ski for someone in the midwest. You don't have to like the park to utilize a twin tip.

**hop** · 07-25-2005, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by BakerBoy

Give me ONE good, legit reason why not only every ski shouldn't be a twin, but especially a ski for someone in the midwest. You don't have to like the park to utilize a twin tip.

Twins make it very hard to construct X-ed anchors out of your skis.

Twins make it very hard to jab your tails into the snow to hold your position on the slope in exposed no-slip situations.

Those are the two that come to mind, but I suppose they don't really apply to the midwest (I've only done the above in Europe).

**BakerBoy** · 07-25-2005, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by hop

Twins make it very hard to construct X-ed anchors out of your skis.

Twins make it very hard to jab your tails into the snow to hold your position on the slope in exposed no-slip situations.

Those are the two that come to mind, but I suppose they don't really apply to the midwest (I've only done the above in Europe).

It might make those two situations more difficult, but it will make two more situations not as difficult. Bottom line is that rooster tails are sick.

**Idris** · 07-25-2005, 10:22 PM

Hop has the most important reasons, but to add.

They don't fit in the ski slots on gondola type lifts. (dosen't apply to midwest)

They look stupid on a roofrack with the tips pointing forward.

**FNG** · 07-25-2005, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Idris

They look stupid on a roofrack with the tips pointing forward.

Lucky for me I drive a pickup with a tonneu cover. I don't like smashing knees up on icy, poorly built midwestern terrain parks (I'm sure there are some decent ones out there); however, I do enjoy a nice BC kicker now and again.

BB, you take Fischer rectally right? Got any second-hand info from people who have skied the Kehua's? I assume 177 is like a snowlerblade for you.

**splat** · 07-25-2005, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by FNG

I live in Minnesota. I don't straight-line 60 degree no-fall avy chutes. I like sidecut.

When we get the shorter Bro out, FNG, it will have more sidecut than the 188 to keep the dimensions the same. But it's looking like January. We'll be ironing out the design so you can turn and straightline that chute. Just in case.

**hop** · 07-26-2005, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Idris

Hop has the most important reasons, but to add.

They don't fit in the ski slots on gondola type lifts. (dosen't apply to midwest)

They look stupid on a roofrack with the tips pointing forward.

For the gondola slot issue (assuming the slots are wide enough to take the fatties in the first place) you just put both your skis together base to topsheet (with just enough angle to keep the bindings apart) vs. base to base and slide them in like you would one fat ski. Works like a charm, plus it gives you sick La Grave telepherique steez.

**verbier61** · 07-26-2005, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by hop

For the gondola slot issue (assuming the slots are wide enough to take the fatties in the first place) you just put both your skis together base to topsheet (with just enough angle to keep the bindings apart) vs. base to base and slide them in like you would one fat ski. Works like a charm, plus it gives you sick La Grave telepherique steez.

heh...

you can surely do it in LG, but it's harder when you're surrounded by a

crowd pushing you to jump on the gondola

**hop** · 07-26-2005, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by verbier61

heh...

you can surely do it in LG, but it's harder when you're surrounded by a

crowd pushing you to jump on the gondola

you mean those packs of gapers that were pushing me in LG don't constitute a crowd? It's pretty damn quick if you ask me.

**verbier61** · 07-26-2005, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by hop

you mean those packs of gapers that were pushing me in LG don't constitute a crowd? It's pretty damn quick if you ask me.

we should ask to a third-party judge (mulletizer?) where's the thickest and

st crowd between LG and verb

**crashnburn'd** · 07-26-2005, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by FNG

Lucky for me I drive a pickup with a tonneu cover. I don't like smashing knees up on icy, poorly built midwestern terrain parks (I'm sure there are some decent ones out there); however, I do enjoy a nice BC kicker now and again.

BB, you take Fischer rectally right? Got any second-hand info from people who have skied the Kehua's? I assume 177 is like a snowlerblade for you.

Wild Mountain right near you and a few places in Wisconsin have pretty killer parks actually if you're into that sort of thing (I'm assuming you're still at the U of M).

If you would like to pay shipping, I'll give you a pair of 184 Bandit X's (orange and white ones) to ski around the midwest on. Then you can get another ski for elsewhere.

**m1e448** · 07-26-2005, 07:48 PM

BB,

All of the skis that I own are twin and I agree with you and the idea of having versitility. I just thought that maybe he would want to look at some non twinned skis, if he doesn't like the park. Since twins have become so much more verstile than before i guess they are more like All mtn ski now more then ever.