REVIEW: ON3P Billy Goat 186cm

**iggyskier** · 12-09-2008, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by rob stokes

so how the fuck do i say on3p?
onEp?
ohhh-n-3-p?
on-3p?
on-3-p?

argggghhhh?

haha some of those I wouldn't even know how to say.

And just say it out. O N 3 P (oh-en-three-pee)

**Marok** · 08-03-2009, 02:59 PM

Whats the price of those skis?

**jaobrien6** · 08-03-2009, 04:22 PM

I know a JONG's not really allowed to call JONG on someone else, but seriously? You could have found the answer at on3pskis.com in the time it took you to ask the question.

**WANAXindasnow** · 08-12-2009, 10:57 PM

so is it zero camber underfoot? or am i mistaken.

**WANAXindasnow** · 08-19-2009, 05:19 PM

hey i now realixe that yes they do have some camber underfoot and that they are made for tight trees but, will they still be able to make wide turns or do they just turn too fast?

I am about the same size as the original poster of this thread.

**iggyskier** · 08-19-2009, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by WANAXindasnow

hey i now realixe that yes they do have some camber underfoot and that they are made for tight trees but, will they still be able to make wide turns or do they just turn too fast?

I am about the same size as the original poster of this thread.

They are definitely most comfortable making smaller to medium sized turns, but they can make bigger turns. Because there is so much taper in the sidecut they don't feel like they need to be on edge and turning all the time, but once you roll the ski over the turn pretty quickly. All our testers didn't seem to have any issues with it, but did note where they excel is in tight spaces.

**nate s** · 08-19-2009, 09:37 PM

I know you have said you don't have any around to weigh, but do you have a ballpark? Looking for something to tour with so would be interested if the 186 came in around 9 lbs or less.

thanks

**iggyskier** · 08-19-2009, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by nate s

I know you have said you don't have any around to weigh, but do you have a ballpark? Looking for something to tour with so would be interested if the 186 came in around 9 lbs or less.

thanks

if I can get a tester pair down to portland soon, I will try and weigh it. If I have an update on weight I will post it up.

**stone88** · 08-21-2009, 04:43 PM

Hey how stiff are the Billy Goats. I like mid stiff skis and if these are that they look very tempting

**iggyskier** · 08-21-2009, 04:54 PM

If we were t relate them to our line, I would call them a medium stiff flex.

They are softer than the wrens and great scotts, which are fairly stiff, and stiffer than the caylors, which are more of a medium flex.

I dunno, that might be pretty vague. They are stiff enough to not get knocked around, but they had to remain soft enough to stiff be playful in tight spaces.

**stone88** · 08-22-2009, 01:47 AM

Judging by the measurements I'm guessing it skis quite similar to a DPS Lotus 120?

**I've seen black diamonds!** · 08-22-2009, 08:12 AM

Lotus 120 has no tail rocker and therefore a much longer running length. It also has a much larger turning radius.

**skiburgher** · 08-22-2009, 10:30 AM

I'm looking to get a pair of skis for my daughter - 5 ft 6 and 115 lbs - would the 176 be too much ski for her for trees/powder?

**ar6161** · 08-22-2009, 10:35 AM

what other skis is the flex comparable to?

**ego7man** · 08-22-2009, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by skiburgher

I'm looking to get a pair of skis for my daughter - 5 ft 6 and 115 lbs - would the 176 be too much ski for her for trees/powder?

yeah thats a pretty big ski for someone only 115lbs

**otto parts** · 08-22-2009, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by skiburgher

I'm looking to get a pair of skis for my daughter - 5 ft 6 and 115 lbs - would the 176 be too much ski for her for trees/powder?

Think the Rossi S7 will come in a girl version this year. Check their site-think I remember a 167?? Or a 175 JJ, which skis uber short.

**iggyskier** · 08-22-2009, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by stone88

Judging by the measurements I'm guessing it skis quite similar to a DPS Lotus 120?

Lotus 120 definitely has a much larger turn radius and a lot of different things going on with the taper. If there was no tip and tail taper, it would be somewhat similar, but when the running length is only 117cm, definitely pretty different

Originally Posted by skiburgher

I'm looking to get a pair of skis for my daughter - 5 ft 6 and 115 lbs - would the 176 be too much ski for her for trees/powder?

Size wise, maybe, but not with her weight unless I changed the composite layup. We really wanted to add a 166cm BG for women/small men, but we just didn't think the number of sales would be enough to justify the high minimums that come with some of our materials.

So while I would love for her to be on some ON33Ps, the ski I would look to is the new 4frnt CRJ. I think it comes is some sizes in the <170cm range and everyone seems to think they ski great, so probably a better fit for her.

Originally Posted by ar6161

what other skis is the flex comparable to?

I wish I could answer these questions better, but I have just not flexed many other non-ON3Ps in the last few years. I would say it is stiffer than the obsethed but softer than the gotama. The ski is definitely very solid underfoot, and then softens up as you move out more to the tips and tails.